1 00:00:04,190 --> 00:00:03,439 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:05,300 --> 00:00:04,200 triangle 3 00:00:06,410 --> 00:00:05,310 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:06,420 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:10,190 --> 00:00:07,770 Rendlesham forest incident 6 00:00:13,249 --> 00:00:10,200 it doesn't involve aliens at all it was 7 00:00:16,609 --> 00:00:13,259 completely silent it comes right over 8 00:00:18,410 --> 00:00:16,619 our head it's so classic flying-saucer 9 00:00:20,269 --> 00:00:18,420 really standing in the clearing he 10 00:00:21,859 --> 00:00:20,279 turned over to my father held his hand 11 00:00:28,580 --> 00:00:21,869 and he looked in his eyes and said we're 12 00:00:31,310 --> 00:00:28,590 not alone welcome to podcast UFO for our 13 00:00:33,380 --> 00:00:31,320 live show during the show feel free to 14 00:00:35,810 --> 00:00:33,390 participate live in our chat room and 15 00:00:39,410 --> 00:00:35,820 don't forget to like us on our very 16 00:00:40,069 --> 00:00:39,420 active Facebook page hello and welcome 17 00:00:42,290 --> 00:00:40,079 to the show 18 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:42,300 I'm Martin will assure host and I'm 19 00:00:48,049 --> 00:00:45,690 really excited about my guest tonight a 20 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:48,059 lot of people are too I've got some 21 00:00:52,130 --> 00:00:50,370 email it's actually gonna be alejandro 22 00:00:54,350 --> 00:00:52,140 he's going to be my guest 23 00:00:56,959 --> 00:00:54,360 and we're changing things up a little 24 00:01:01,279 --> 00:00:56,969 bit Jordan Bonaparte from the nighttime 25 00:01:02,569 --> 00:01:01,289 podcast up in Canada beautiful podcast 26 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:02,579 we'll talk a little bit about that but 27 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:05,010 he's filling in for the news so I'm 28 00:01:09,859 --> 00:01:07,610 treating Alejandro like he's any other 29 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:09,869 guests on the show he's gonna have his 30 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:13,890 own spot as a guest and news with Jordan 31 00:01:19,039 --> 00:01:16,290 I want to thank everyone for supporting 32 00:01:22,460 --> 00:01:19,049 the show we are live you can watch the 33 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:22,470 full shows live always on YouTube you 34 00:01:30,260 --> 00:01:25,890 can also listen to them live on kgr a 35 00:01:32,420 --> 00:01:30,270 radio and we are also playing over at 36 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:32,430 the Dark Matter digital network every 37 00:01:37,490 --> 00:01:34,530 Thursday night over there that's for the 38 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:37,500 full show and like I said I want to 39 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:38,970 thank everyone that supports the show we 40 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:41,850 absolutely could not do it without you 41 00:01:46,899 --> 00:01:44,490 and we do appreciate every listener but 42 00:01:50,149 --> 00:01:46,909 the support really helps us carry on and 43 00:01:54,340 --> 00:01:50,159 I think that's enough for me and I shall 44 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:54,350 welcome our guest Jordin welcome to the 45 00:02:00,620 --> 00:01:57,210 guest of honor big shoes to fill but I'm 46 00:02:03,859 --> 00:02:00,630 happy to be here yeah yeah hey first of 47 00:02:04,429 --> 00:02:03,869 all thank you for filling in kind of 48 00:02:07,850 --> 00:02:04,439 short notice 49 00:02:11,330 --> 00:02:07,860 yes no problem also like I said I want 50 00:02:13,580 --> 00:02:11,340 to say about your show your podcast I 51 00:02:13,970 --> 00:02:13,590 started listening to it recently I 52 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:13,980 listened 53 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:15,530 to it a little bit here and there but 54 00:02:20,210 --> 00:02:19,049 the quality of that show is just I don't 55 00:02:22,610 --> 00:02:20,220 know how much time you spend in the 56 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:22,620 editing room but uh it was a beautiful 57 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:24,510 show thank you doing a really nice job 58 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:27,209 it's very interesting it's not just UFOs 59 00:02:33,860 --> 00:02:29,159 that's other other really fascinating 60 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:33,870 topics as well so anyway welcome and do 61 00:02:39,289 --> 00:02:36,810 you want to you sent me an email I think 62 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:39,299 or let's see I think maybe I saw it on 63 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:40,769 Facebook you're gonna be on a radio show 64 00:02:47,059 --> 00:02:43,680 as well well what it is is my podcast 65 00:02:50,300 --> 00:02:47,069 got picked up by a company called chorus 66 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:50,310 which is a major Canadian television and 67 00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:53,010 radio conglomerate I guess they own a 68 00:02:58,759 --> 00:02:55,650 lot of major TVA stations and radio 69 00:03:00,979 --> 00:02:58,769 stations they picked up my podcast to 70 00:03:03,349 --> 00:03:00,989 air its syndicated nationally now so 71 00:03:05,059 --> 00:03:03,359 it's aired on radio across Canada on 72 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:05,069 Sunday nights and Saturday nights in 73 00:03:10,940 --> 00:03:07,890 most major cities and it's kind of a I 74 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:10,950 don't know if many of if it's anything 75 00:03:14,030 --> 00:03:12,690 any similar arrangement has happened 76 00:03:16,460 --> 00:03:14,040 with many other podcasts but they're 77 00:03:19,580 --> 00:03:16,470 doing also they're using my podcast kind 78 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:19,590 of in collaboration with some of the TV 79 00:03:24,020 --> 00:03:21,329 shows that they air so for example 80 00:03:26,390 --> 00:03:24,030 chorus who's taken over my podcasts they 81 00:03:27,620 --> 00:03:26,400 on the History Channel which is a big 82 00:03:29,750 --> 00:03:27,630 Canadian station I don't know if these 83 00:03:31,909 --> 00:03:29,760 have it in the States but they have like 84 00:03:34,460 --> 00:03:31,919 they're doing the Project Blue Book as 85 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:34,470 yeah that TV show and they do yeah they 86 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:36,450 do curse of Oak Island which is a major 87 00:03:42,620 --> 00:03:38,910 show here yeah so they're kind of 88 00:03:44,509 --> 00:03:42,630 looking at ways to work on things 89 00:03:46,909 --> 00:03:44,519 basically with my show end of shows 90 00:03:48,559 --> 00:03:46,919 called promoting through the podcast and 91 00:03:49,699 --> 00:03:48,569 television so it's it's gonna be cool I 92 00:03:51,559 --> 00:03:49,709 don't I don't really know what's gonna 93 00:03:53,750 --> 00:03:51,569 happen with it yet but it's been going 94 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:53,760 on for about a month or two and I don't 95 00:03:58,069 --> 00:03:55,530 know it's gonna be interesting great 96 00:04:02,300 --> 00:03:58,079 great so did you get any news together 97 00:04:04,129 --> 00:04:02,310 for us I have a few things and I tried 98 00:04:08,119 --> 00:04:04,139 to kind of stick with Canadian news but 99 00:04:10,069 --> 00:04:08,129 as I yeah not a lot happens in UF ology 100 00:04:13,819 --> 00:04:10,079 and Canada it seems the the biggest 101 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:13,829 thing recently was an article I found 102 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:15,209 this interesting because although the 103 00:04:21,289 --> 00:04:18,410 the UFO event wasn't that spectacular 104 00:04:24,230 --> 00:04:21,299 the news article was mainly about the 105 00:04:25,580 --> 00:04:24,240 witnesses trouble reporting it and 106 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:25,590 getting someone to take them seriously 107 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:27,690 it happened in a small town called 108 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:29,370 surgeon it's in Prince Edward Island 109 00:04:33,260 --> 00:04:31,110 which is one of the smallest provinces 110 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:33,270 in Canada I'll just read you a brief 111 00:04:37,430 --> 00:04:35,130 excerpt from the the news article 112 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:37,440 basically it says the witness his name 113 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:38,130 is Bruce 114 00:04:42,410 --> 00:04:40,650 he knows the skies in his area he's seen 115 00:04:44,780 --> 00:04:42,420 a lot of satellites in the sky near his 116 00:04:46,910 --> 00:04:44,790 home but this particular object was not 117 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:46,920 like any he'd seen before initially his 118 00:04:50,270 --> 00:04:48,330 thought was that it was a plane that he 119 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:50,280 was looking at in the night sky as the 120 00:04:54,860 --> 00:04:52,530 object had flashing lights but when it 121 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:54,870 stopped dead in the sky and then shot in 122 00:04:58,850 --> 00:04:56,730 a 90-degree angle towards his home and 123 00:05:01,070 --> 00:04:58,860 stopped again he knew it was something 124 00:05:03,050 --> 00:05:01,080 special he watched it in the sky kind of 125 00:05:04,670 --> 00:05:03,060 moving around sporadically like that for 126 00:05:07,250 --> 00:05:04,680 I think it was about four or five 127 00:05:09,650 --> 00:05:07,260 minutes until ultimately it shot off 128 00:05:11,540 --> 00:05:09,660 basically into the end of the night sky 129 00:05:14,030 --> 00:05:11,550 in the direction of Nova Scotia where I 130 00:05:16,340 --> 00:05:14,040 am coincidentally so he thought it was 131 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:16,350 strange and something special the next 132 00:05:19,700 --> 00:05:17,970 day he had asked a few people basically 133 00:05:21,650 --> 00:05:19,710 at the coffee shop did you see the weird 134 00:05:24,530 --> 00:05:21,660 thing in the sky last night and sure 135 00:05:26,330 --> 00:05:24,540 enough a few people in his town did he 136 00:05:28,190 --> 00:05:26,340 then knowing it was something unique and 137 00:05:30,410 --> 00:05:28,200 special and that he wasn't the only one 138 00:05:32,150 --> 00:05:30,420 who saw it he decided to report it and 139 00:05:34,630 --> 00:05:32,160 that's kind of where the news article 140 00:05:36,860 --> 00:05:34,640 really got interesting he talked about 141 00:05:39,350 --> 00:05:36,870 contacting initially the Royal Canadian 142 00:05:42,650 --> 00:05:39,360 Air Force they didn't take him seriously 143 00:05:45,740 --> 00:05:42,660 next called Air Canada which is a major 144 00:05:48,860 --> 00:05:45,750 airline they hung up on him he called a 145 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:48,870 NAV CANADA also hung up on him called 146 00:05:53,659 --> 00:05:51,330 the RCMP and they they told him it 147 00:05:55,909 --> 00:05:53,669 wasn't something that they deal with so 148 00:05:58,909 --> 00:05:55,919 basically he was left with no I guess 149 00:06:01,460 --> 00:05:58,919 mainstream avenue to report it in the 150 00:06:03,770 --> 00:06:01,470 article he then went on to describe 151 00:06:04,909 --> 00:06:03,780 getting hooked up with Kris Rutkowski 152 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:04,919 who's probably been on both of your 153 00:06:10,430 --> 00:06:07,890 shows before he runs ufology research 154 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:10,440 which is a major Canadian civilian UFO 155 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:14,010 investigation organization ended up this 156 00:06:18,140 --> 00:06:15,930 witness found a safe place with with 157 00:06:19,460 --> 00:06:18,150 Chris and his crew and they took his 158 00:06:21,650 --> 00:06:19,470 information and I believe they're 159 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:21,660 investigating but really what I found 160 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:23,250 interesting about that article was it 161 00:06:27,530 --> 00:06:25,890 just shows how much trouble like so many 162 00:06:29,530 --> 00:06:27,540 of us see these things but if you want 163 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:29,540 to report it to someone other than 164 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:32,130 basically a fringe group like MUFON or 165 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:33,810 whatnot you really don't have very many 166 00:06:37,850 --> 00:06:36,090 avenues you know some people wouldn't 167 00:06:40,100 --> 00:06:37,860 call them a fringe group but I 168 00:06:40,910 --> 00:06:40,110 understand what you mean you know fringe 169 00:06:44,060 --> 00:06:40,920 in the 170 00:06:45,950 --> 00:06:44,070 world I would I would you know I would 171 00:06:48,770 --> 00:06:45,960 say yeah definitely as far as that goes 172 00:06:53,030 --> 00:06:48,780 but yeah I mean I when I had my sighting 173 00:06:54,710 --> 00:06:53,040 in 2006 I had no idea how to report I 174 00:06:56,780 --> 00:06:54,720 never even looked online that never even 175 00:06:58,820 --> 00:06:56,790 occurred to me and I made a phone calls 176 00:07:00,370 --> 00:06:58,830 so I understand that but people hanging 177 00:07:03,020 --> 00:07:00,380 up on him that's pretty discouraging 178 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:03,030 yeah and I don't mean fringe 179 00:07:06,650 --> 00:07:04,650 disrespectfully but I'm just thinking 180 00:07:09,470 --> 00:07:06,660 saying like if you talk about like let's 181 00:07:11,660 --> 00:07:09,480 say if you see my father who is a steel 182 00:07:14,180 --> 00:07:11,670 worker from small-town Nova Scotia and 183 00:07:15,620 --> 00:07:14,190 he sees it could be an alien spaceship 184 00:07:18,050 --> 00:07:15,630 that lands and they get out and attack 185 00:07:19,790 --> 00:07:18,060 him he's never gonna know what MUFON is 186 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:19,800 or how to contact them he'll probably 187 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:22,050 call the police and Air Canada yeah I 188 00:07:27,380 --> 00:07:24,930 know any police right yeah they probably 189 00:07:29,150 --> 00:07:27,390 hang up on my dad so I guess we're in 190 00:07:30,980 --> 00:07:29,160 the know so we're fortunate to know 191 00:07:34,190 --> 00:07:30,990 about these different groups and have an 192 00:07:36,650 --> 00:07:34,200 avenue to go but we're far from the 193 00:07:38,660 --> 00:07:36,660 average person in terms of the you know 194 00:07:39,860 --> 00:07:38,670 the UFO phenomenon the average person 195 00:07:41,900 --> 00:07:39,870 who sees something is not gonna have a 196 00:07:43,820 --> 00:07:41,910 clue where to go and I thought this 197 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:43,830 article what I liked about it was a kind 198 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:47,010 of in a mainstream news source which is 199 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:49,530 this the provinces largest paper it kind 200 00:07:52,940 --> 00:07:51,450 of tells the story of what happens with 201 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:52,950 a you know an average person when they 202 00:07:59,900 --> 00:07:56,370 see something yeah yeah and well it's 203 00:08:02,180 --> 00:07:59,910 amazing because most people would get 204 00:08:04,340 --> 00:08:02,190 hung up on once you know like I did 205 00:08:07,100 --> 00:08:04,350 basically and that was as far as I went 206 00:08:09,020 --> 00:08:07,110 you know I got I actually hung up on the 207 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:09,030 dispatcher because they put me on hold 208 00:08:15,530 --> 00:08:12,690 for 20 20 minutes ooh but you know I 209 00:08:17,150 --> 00:08:15,540 mean I I just was discouraged and it's 210 00:08:19,490 --> 00:08:17,160 amazing this guy just kept going and 211 00:08:22,370 --> 00:08:19,500 trying different avenues yeah and it 212 00:08:25,010 --> 00:08:22,380 eventually found somewhere so yeah good 213 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:25,020 for him but that was one that's probably 214 00:08:29,180 --> 00:08:27,090 the most recent piece of Canadian news 215 00:08:30,950 --> 00:08:29,190 but I think the big the big piece of new 216 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:30,960 is actually I think is coming out of the 217 00:08:36,410 --> 00:08:33,810 US I don't want to pronounce it it's but 218 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:36,420 I'm gonna try it's the ow muah-muah 219 00:08:41,540 --> 00:08:38,970 oh you know whoa yeah you're talking 220 00:08:44,570 --> 00:08:41,550 about the asteroid that Thea V that's a 221 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:44,580 Hawaiian name uh-huh okay yeah well 222 00:08:49,190 --> 00:08:46,530 alejandro i think could nail that a lot 223 00:08:51,050 --> 00:08:49,200 better than i could I call it the Opie 224 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:51,060 reott asteroid yeah 225 00:08:54,530 --> 00:08:53,370 and I've just to even today when I woke 226 00:08:56,810 --> 00:08:54,540 up this morning I had our 227 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:56,820 had two or three people had messaged me 228 00:09:00,290 --> 00:08:58,410 on Twitter and stuff sending me the 229 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:00,300 article of both yeah the Harvard 230 00:09:04,220 --> 00:09:02,250 researchers who are who basically have a 231 00:09:07,030 --> 00:09:04,230 paper being published I think in about a 232 00:09:09,259 --> 00:09:07,040 week's time where they're basically and 233 00:09:11,629 --> 00:09:09,269 pleading a case that this could possibly 234 00:09:13,610 --> 00:09:11,639 be intelligently controlled this 235 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:13,620 particular asteroid and I think they're 236 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:16,250 basing that on they were watching or 237 00:09:21,769 --> 00:09:19,290 measuring its its speed and velocity and 238 00:09:24,439 --> 00:09:21,779 distance as it passed by the Sun and it 239 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:24,449 appeared to either change course or gain 240 00:09:30,139 --> 00:09:27,569 speed and I but I guess the Harvard 241 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:30,149 students paper is just gonna plead the 242 00:09:34,970 --> 00:09:32,130 case that it could potentially be of 243 00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:34,980 intelligent design yes the shape of it 244 00:09:41,509 --> 00:09:37,889 forty meters by I think it's something 245 00:09:44,329 --> 00:09:41,519 like 40 meters by 400 meters and you 246 00:09:47,329 --> 00:09:44,339 know sort of like a stick in a way and I 247 00:09:50,780 --> 00:09:47,339 think they said it might be red which is 248 00:09:52,490 --> 00:09:50,790 interesting as well but also yes is 249 00:09:55,189 --> 00:09:52,500 traveling at sixty thousand miles an 250 00:09:57,740 --> 00:09:55,199 hour and not the not the typical forty 251 00:09:59,840 --> 00:09:57,750 that you know that these objects usually 252 00:10:01,519 --> 00:09:59,850 travel and I'm getting off a little bit 253 00:10:03,650 --> 00:10:01,529 on speed but it's something like that 254 00:10:06,430 --> 00:10:03,660 yeah it's it's definitely interesting 255 00:10:09,319 --> 00:10:06,440 and it's cool to see some you know some 256 00:10:11,540 --> 00:10:09,329 university students who are doing some 257 00:10:14,090 --> 00:10:11,550 real work basically having an open 258 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:14,100 enough mine to to consider it I ought to 259 00:10:19,129 --> 00:10:15,529 I'll be interested to read their paper 260 00:10:21,710 --> 00:10:19,139 yeah that's right I think I in a way I 261 00:10:23,870 --> 00:10:21,720 think you know the changing events of 262 00:10:25,850 --> 00:10:23,880 December 16th last year with the New 263 00:10:27,620 --> 00:10:25,860 York Times article has kind of opened 264 00:10:30,590 --> 00:10:27,630 the door for letting people be a little 265 00:10:33,290 --> 00:10:30,600 more comfortable in making this type of 266 00:10:35,780 --> 00:10:33,300 speculation and it is just a theory it's 267 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:35,790 just another theory yeah but it's it's 268 00:10:39,319 --> 00:10:37,529 still even if it's just a theory and it 269 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:39,329 proved and even if it proves to be false 270 00:10:43,550 --> 00:10:41,310 it's still interesting to go down that 271 00:10:45,980 --> 00:10:43,560 road yeah especially in an academic 272 00:10:49,250 --> 00:10:45,990 paper with you know scientific the 273 00:10:51,410 --> 00:10:49,260 scientific techniques you know I think I 274 00:10:53,509 --> 00:10:51,420 find it cool but it's I heard it 275 00:10:55,220 --> 00:10:53,519 described a cigar-shaped which I like I 276 00:10:58,550 --> 00:10:55,230 always enjoy people talking with a cigar 277 00:11:01,370 --> 00:10:58,560 shaped UFO yeah and and it has portholes 278 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:01,380 no I didn't hear yeah I'm starting the 279 00:11:06,319 --> 00:11:03,930 rumor but anyway hey Jordan thank you so 280 00:11:07,970 --> 00:11:06,329 much and why don't you give out your 281 00:11:10,850 --> 00:11:07,980 your website how people can find 282 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:10,860 yeah my shows nighttime podcasts you can 283 00:11:15,980 --> 00:11:13,410 just find me on nighttime podcast calm 284 00:11:18,290 --> 00:11:15,990 and I investigate Canadian mysteries 285 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:18,300 true crime and strange stories and I've 286 00:11:22,730 --> 00:11:20,490 had Martin and Alejandro on a episode I 287 00:11:25,070 --> 00:11:22,740 did about a UFO sighting in clarin Ville 288 00:11:27,410 --> 00:11:25,080 Newfoundland yeah I was happy to have 289 00:11:28,790 --> 00:11:27,420 his both yeah great thanks for having me 290 00:11:30,290 --> 00:11:28,800 Martin I'm looking forward to listening 291 00:11:32,540 --> 00:11:30,300 to un la entre talk 292 00:11:33,710 --> 00:11:32,550 alright hey thanks a lot my pleasure 293 00:11:36,290 --> 00:11:33,720 anytime have a great night 294 00:11:38,740 --> 00:11:36,300 alright you too alright alright everyone 295 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:38,750 so our guest needs no introduction 296 00:11:45,590 --> 00:11:42,330 mostly because he's on almost every 297 00:11:48,410 --> 00:11:45,600 single show app but anyway he is a radio 298 00:11:50,870 --> 00:11:48,420 host of coast for open minds radio he's 299 00:11:52,910 --> 00:11:50,880 an editor for an writer for open minds 300 00:11:54,170 --> 00:11:52,920 that magazine as well as den of geek 301 00:11:56,180 --> 00:11:54,180 we'll talk a little bit about that 302 00:11:58,070 --> 00:11:56,190 because that's he's getting a lot of 303 00:12:01,250 --> 00:11:58,080 traction over there 304 00:12:04,270 --> 00:12:01,260 he was a spokes person for the muse for 305 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:04,280 MUFON and a director of public education 306 00:12:10,460 --> 00:12:07,470 on and on and on he's doing a great show 307 00:12:12,140 --> 00:12:10,470 two on Thursday nights a live show we'll 308 00:12:14,290 --> 00:12:12,150 talk a little bit about that but I'm 309 00:12:19,100 --> 00:12:14,300 gonna be asking him hopefully some 310 00:12:21,590 --> 00:12:19,110 interesting questions and and he's 311 00:12:23,780 --> 00:12:21,600 tonight he's got this professional suite 312 00:12:26,950 --> 00:12:23,790 he's working on I just have to do a 313 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:26,960 little bit of adjusting on that and 314 00:12:32,660 --> 00:12:30,690 Alejandro welcome to the show yeah I'm 315 00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:32,670 just finishing something up so if you 316 00:12:39,590 --> 00:12:35,760 can give me like a 515 in oblem yeah no 317 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:39,600 problem just kidding yeah that aside for 318 00:12:42,620 --> 00:12:41,490 now yeah thanks for thanks for being on 319 00:12:44,420 --> 00:12:42,630 the show 320 00:12:46,550 --> 00:12:44,430 my pleasure thanks for having me and 321 00:12:49,010 --> 00:12:46,560 this is a you know I had someone slated 322 00:12:51,860 --> 00:12:49,020 for tonight I had Ray Stamford slated a 323 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:51,870 few weeks ago oh my god he goes it's 324 00:12:57,380 --> 00:12:54,410 election night midterm election night so 325 00:12:58,910 --> 00:12:57,390 yeah so I asked you and your graceful 326 00:13:00,740 --> 00:12:58,920 enough but I course I gave you over 327 00:13:03,830 --> 00:13:00,750 weeks notice but you were great you know 328 00:13:06,020 --> 00:13:03,840 to be honest and and I don't know I'm 329 00:13:07,850 --> 00:13:06,030 not even getting talked about sides but 330 00:13:09,890 --> 00:13:07,860 I'm sure it'll still upset people cuz 331 00:13:12,620 --> 00:13:09,900 whenever you say the word anything about 332 00:13:15,890 --> 00:13:12,630 politics but yeah I I I'm kind of like 333 00:13:18,380 --> 00:13:15,900 my dad my dad is a big Denver Broncos 334 00:13:20,990 --> 00:13:18,390 fan but he has a hard time watching the 335 00:13:23,210 --> 00:13:21,000 games because he gets so worked up 336 00:13:25,730 --> 00:13:23,220 and that's kind of how I feel about the 337 00:13:28,009 --> 00:13:25,740 election yeah I don't want to watch I'm 338 00:13:30,530 --> 00:13:28,019 the chick in here and there cuz I don't 339 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:30,540 want to get too worked up I Karen of 340 00:13:38,119 --> 00:13:35,040 course my my lady friend is is getting 341 00:13:40,490 --> 00:13:38,129 all worked up yeah yeah well yeah I 342 00:13:42,710 --> 00:13:40,500 totally understand that I think I told 343 00:13:45,710 --> 00:13:42,720 you I lived in Colorado lived in Boulder 344 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:45,720 area long lawn area and I remember I had 345 00:13:50,059 --> 00:13:47,730 a friend that was so into the Broncos he 346 00:13:52,699 --> 00:13:50,069 bought an orange pickup truck he had 347 00:13:53,869 --> 00:13:52,709 everything orange he was just crazy they 348 00:13:56,150 --> 00:13:53,879 made sure he had a golden retriever 349 00:13:59,240 --> 00:13:56,160 because it was orange but I don't know 350 00:14:02,720 --> 00:13:59,250 Wow yeah I'm gonna tell a quick little 351 00:14:04,689 --> 00:14:02,730 election joke okay yeah like do you 352 00:14:07,490 --> 00:14:04,699 think I've ever told a joke on my show 353 00:14:09,860 --> 00:14:07,500 so really go I don't I can't remember 354 00:14:11,900 --> 00:14:09,870 doing that so anyway this guy was out 355 00:14:14,420 --> 00:14:11,910 canvassing a politician who was out 356 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:14,430 canvassing knocking door-to-door trying 357 00:14:19,309 --> 00:14:16,649 to get some votes the other day and he 358 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:19,319 knocks on this door and this kid answers 359 00:14:23,990 --> 00:14:22,649 well the kid you know the guy opens the 360 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:24,000 door and the kid answers and he's like 361 00:14:28,990 --> 00:14:26,250 shocked and steps back because the kids 362 00:14:32,030 --> 00:14:29,000 wearing his sister's bra in his head 363 00:14:34,759 --> 00:14:32,040 lipstick smeared all over his face he's 364 00:14:37,009 --> 00:14:34,769 uh he's drinking a martini he's about 8 365 00:14:39,769 --> 00:14:37,019 years old drinking a martini and smoking 366 00:14:43,249 --> 00:14:39,779 a cigar and the guys oh my god oh my god 367 00:14:50,619 --> 00:14:43,259 he goes up hey are your parents home and 368 00:15:00,530 --> 00:14:56,360 you don't get it are your parents home 369 00:15:04,340 --> 00:15:00,540 what the heck do you think so I'm nurse 370 00:15:05,689 --> 00:15:04,350 they're not home they're of course oh I 371 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:05,699 thought it was a funny joke 372 00:15:11,660 --> 00:15:07,889 I can't believe do I have any kids 373 00:15:13,970 --> 00:15:11,670 laugher I laughter anywhere I think 374 00:15:15,170 --> 00:15:13,980 what's hilarious about that joke is that 375 00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:15,180 you find it funny 376 00:15:19,249 --> 00:15:18,000 that to me makes it very funny oh good 377 00:15:24,949 --> 00:15:19,259 good I'm glad to hear that 378 00:15:27,619 --> 00:15:24,959 well hey Bill our engineer kgr a radio 379 00:15:30,049 --> 00:15:27,629 at least he laughed he said yeah no but 380 00:15:32,689 --> 00:15:30,059 I think he's laughing ass laughing not 381 00:15:34,970 --> 00:15:32,699 at with us yeah of all time wait can I 382 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:34,980 think about what Jordan Ted 383 00:15:41,330 --> 00:15:38,310 okay sure yeah I I agree with Jordan 384 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:41,340 first that I think that it's important 385 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:43,560 that you know move on I think is fringe 386 00:15:48,770 --> 00:15:46,890 and this topic is fringe and I just 387 00:15:52,190 --> 00:15:48,780 always feel that it's important we 388 00:15:55,940 --> 00:15:52,200 remember that because otherwise we make 389 00:16:00,740 --> 00:15:55,950 missteps and then we also forget to kind 390 00:16:04,490 --> 00:16:00,750 of thoroughly kind of explain the 391 00:16:06,500 --> 00:16:04,500 phenomena or what we find like literally 392 00:16:08,450 --> 00:16:06,510 and it may be frustrating for some we 393 00:16:11,060 --> 00:16:08,460 have to justify our interest in this 394 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:11,070 phenomena all the time because it is 395 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:14,130 fringe but the advantage of doing that 396 00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:17,310 is that you're educating the people that 397 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:19,920 you're talking to who do see it as 398 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:23,490 fringe and I I think that's it's just 399 00:16:26,990 --> 00:16:24,930 important for me to always remember that 400 00:16:29,870 --> 00:16:27,000 so I don't you know because you know we 401 00:16:31,790 --> 00:16:29,880 we get to be you off a weirdo so when we 402 00:16:33,710 --> 00:16:31,800 forget that and we're talking about all 403 00:16:35,540 --> 00:16:33,720 this UFO stuff like it's normal and 404 00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:35,550 people are like oh you know and we got 405 00:16:41,660 --> 00:16:40,110 to remember well I make sure and uh we 406 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:41,670 got to educate and that's what it's all 407 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:45,210 about really is when people kind of roll 408 00:16:49,340 --> 00:16:47,490 their eyes or like oh my gosh the UFO 409 00:16:52,130 --> 00:16:49,350 stuff I think it's just education for 410 00:16:54,020 --> 00:16:52,140 instance my girlfriend's father he was a 411 00:16:57,230 --> 00:16:54,030 colonel retired a colonel in the Air 412 00:17:02,650 --> 00:16:57,240 Force and oh my gosh of course he was 413 00:17:05,900 --> 00:17:02,660 not excited about you know what I do and 414 00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:05,910 but over time it's changed because he's 415 00:17:11,930 --> 00:17:08,640 learned a lot more and at least now he 416 00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:11,940 he recognizes that there is a credible 417 00:17:17,300 --> 00:17:15,120 aspect and there are there's a community 418 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:17,310 of people interested in the more 419 00:17:23,689 --> 00:17:19,890 substantial information um the other 420 00:17:26,930 --> 00:17:23,699 thing is I I looked it up because it is 421 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:26,940 a great story but it's Oh mwah mwah is 422 00:17:31,970 --> 00:17:30,810 how you say thanks thanks hey someone in 423 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:31,980 the chat rooms still waiting for my 424 00:17:38,030 --> 00:17:35,250 punch line oh I know so was I 425 00:17:42,830 --> 00:17:38,040 I cannot sit at that bird I love that 426 00:17:45,410 --> 00:17:42,840 joke but anyway that's okay so listen 427 00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:45,420 one thing I don't think you well first 428 00:17:48,340 --> 00:17:47,310 of all before I go on to that I want to 429 00:17:50,669 --> 00:17:48,350 say I 430 00:17:55,900 --> 00:17:50,679 agree with you and the one thing I don't 431 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:55,910 I agree with you sort of okay but what 432 00:18:01,830 --> 00:17:58,010 is a little bit that I would say they're 433 00:18:04,930 --> 00:18:01,840 not fringe is that when someone wants to 434 00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:04,940 basically report something unidentified 435 00:18:09,820 --> 00:18:07,039 that part of it you know it doesn't say 436 00:18:11,409 --> 00:18:09,830 that it's from you know another planet 437 00:18:12,909 --> 00:18:11,419 or something like that so I think there 438 00:18:15,419 --> 00:18:12,919 needs to be something out there where 439 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:15,429 people can report something unidentified 440 00:18:21,070 --> 00:18:19,370 although in that aspect yeah yeah and 441 00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:21,080 you know what that would go a long way 442 00:18:25,810 --> 00:18:24,320 to making it not fringe and you know I 443 00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:25,820 think that we've been saying this for a 444 00:18:32,380 --> 00:18:29,870 long time is that it's irresponsible of 445 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:32,390 our government not to have an outlet 446 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:34,970 like that I mean it's ridiculous Mike I 447 00:18:38,890 --> 00:18:37,250 talked about one of the first cases that 448 00:18:42,159 --> 00:18:38,900 I investigated when I was a field 449 00:18:44,919 --> 00:18:42,169 investigator was near my home and it was 450 00:18:48,370 --> 00:18:44,929 this guy just recently back from Iraq 451 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:48,380 and he was a security he was a young guy 452 00:18:54,279 --> 00:18:52,730 and working security at a bank kind of a 453 00:18:57,010 --> 00:18:54,289 campus because they had several 454 00:18:59,919 --> 00:18:57,020 buildings so he was walking in between 455 00:19:03,490 --> 00:18:59,929 buildings and he saw this object in the 456 00:19:05,529 --> 00:19:03,500 air above one of the mountains I can't 457 00:19:07,630 --> 00:19:05,539 remember it's like a big I can't believe 458 00:19:11,140 --> 00:19:07,640 I forgot this in Denver it's like the 459 00:19:13,450 --> 00:19:11,150 big mountain with all the the antennas 460 00:19:16,750 --> 00:19:13,460 on it and someone a big landmark there 461 00:19:20,740 --> 00:19:16,760 in the city west of town Lookout 462 00:19:22,210 --> 00:19:20,750 Mountain I think it's called so and he 463 00:19:24,690 --> 00:19:22,220 thought it was really strange and he 464 00:19:27,490 --> 00:19:24,700 watched it and he was like very 465 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:27,500 hypersensitive to recognizing things 466 00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:28,970 that are odd and reporting them because 467 00:19:35,230 --> 00:19:31,039 he was just in a in a battle situation 468 00:19:37,210 --> 00:19:35,240 you know a war zone and he did his 469 00:19:39,789 --> 00:19:37,220 rounds came back outside and it was 470 00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:39,799 still there and he noticed how close it 471 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:42,080 was to commercial airlines that they 472 00:19:47,710 --> 00:19:44,570 were on the same flight path there so he 473 00:19:50,529 --> 00:19:47,720 called a lot of different places he 474 00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:50,539 called the FAA he called the airport he 475 00:19:55,810 --> 00:19:53,270 called the news and it was finally maybe 476 00:19:57,159 --> 00:19:55,820 the news I think it was that told him 477 00:19:59,799 --> 00:19:57,169 hey you should try this group called 478 00:20:01,930 --> 00:19:59,809 MUFON which is surprising that you know 479 00:20:03,580 --> 00:20:01,940 anybody would even think of 480 00:20:05,890 --> 00:20:03,590 so then he called MUFON and made his 481 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:05,900 report we were the only ones to take it 482 00:20:11,380 --> 00:20:08,090 seriously but that's a great example 483 00:20:13,690 --> 00:20:11,390 this is someone who's trained to look 484 00:20:17,730 --> 00:20:13,700 for something that could pose a threat 485 00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:17,740 in our airspace and he he sees something 486 00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:20,510 you know near commercial airlines and 487 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:22,910 immediately raises a red flag and he 488 00:20:27,940 --> 00:20:25,370 thinks I have to report this and no one 489 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:27,950 wanted to listen and that is just 490 00:20:33,550 --> 00:20:31,250 ridiculous I called the FAA on that case 491 00:20:38,860 --> 00:20:33,560 and they said oh we don't do that 492 00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,870 call Bigelow or not or new Fork and of 493 00:20:42,580 --> 00:20:40,640 course I'm like well I'm not recording 494 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:42,590 this I'm trying to find out if you had 495 00:20:45,970 --> 00:20:44,570 any other reports and yeah they did 496 00:20:48,250 --> 00:20:45,980 check their records so they didn't see 497 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:48,260 anything but it's it's just ridiculous 498 00:20:55,870 --> 00:20:50,690 that they wouldn't be concerned about 499 00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:55,880 you know some object parent aircraft in 500 00:21:01,660 --> 00:20:59,600 in their airspace that's um you know 501 00:21:04,090 --> 00:21:01,670 that's precisely what I said too though 502 00:21:07,870 --> 00:21:04,100 when I called the police department in 503 00:21:11,260 --> 00:21:07,880 in Carmel or was at Monterey one of 504 00:21:13,420 --> 00:21:11,270 those places was I asked has anybody 505 00:21:16,150 --> 00:21:13,430 else reported this you know has anybody 506 00:21:18,670 --> 00:21:16,160 else seen this because that's you know I 507 00:21:20,740 --> 00:21:18,680 was kind of curious if any right and 508 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:20,750 also I think I told you about I had an 509 00:21:26,260 --> 00:21:24,050 amazing fireball sighting just 510 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:26,270 unbelievable from the hot tub yep I 511 00:21:31,390 --> 00:21:28,010 think good memory of both of them or not 512 00:21:33,610 --> 00:21:31,400 actually but anyway I called you know 513 00:21:36,820 --> 00:21:33,620 Pease Air Force Base back then which is 514 00:21:39,670 --> 00:21:36,830 over you know near the Betty and Barney 515 00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:39,680 Hill or you know all that in that area 516 00:21:45,370 --> 00:21:43,760 anyway they they said you know they they 517 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:45,380 don't take any type of reports like that 518 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:46,490 I didn't know who to call 519 00:21:51,250 --> 00:21:49,370 I just didn't know yeah yeah and I think 520 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:51,260 that's the issue and I think that you 521 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:53,090 know there's a lot made in fact there 522 00:21:57,970 --> 00:21:56,090 was even a recent article that and I 523 00:21:59,950 --> 00:21:57,980 can't remember who wrote it and it was 524 00:22:02,590 --> 00:21:59,960 about a tip again you know this 525 00:22:03,670 --> 00:22:02,600 government UFO program and they were 526 00:22:05,860 --> 00:22:03,680 like why was the government 527 00:22:08,140 --> 00:22:05,870 investigating UFOs even though sightings 528 00:22:09,460 --> 00:22:08,150 are going down and actually it was a 529 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:09,470 great article because it was talking 530 00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:10,850 about well there's other reasons that 531 00:22:15,460 --> 00:22:14,000 they would look into it and and so it 532 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:15,470 was very positive and this was 533 00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:19,010 mainstream publication but uh in my 534 00:22:23,169 --> 00:22:20,720 opinion having looked at these numbers 535 00:22:26,260 --> 00:22:23,179 over the years it's not necessarily a 536 00:22:29,230 --> 00:22:26,270 factor of of sightings going down it's a 537 00:22:31,690 --> 00:22:29,240 factor of MUFON and the other 538 00:22:35,049 --> 00:22:31,700 organization that receives sightings 539 00:22:37,570 --> 00:22:35,059 quite a bit new Fork not people not 540 00:22:43,149 --> 00:22:37,580 knowing they're there there was a spike 541 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:43,159 in about the 2015-16 period because of 542 00:22:48,430 --> 00:22:44,809 the television hangar one which was 543 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:48,440 about MUFON and and I noticed this in 544 00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:50,690 there I know because it's about well 545 00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:54,080 edit there was also a spike in in 546 00:22:58,930 --> 00:22:56,809 membership for MUFON but that has 547 00:23:01,779 --> 00:22:58,940 decreased as well along with the 548 00:23:03,549 --> 00:23:01,789 sighting reports as hangar 1 has been 549 00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,559 off the air and people forget that they 550 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:05,840 even exist so it's more a case of 551 00:23:16,510 --> 00:23:10,130 awareness than necessarily you know the 552 00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:16,520 amount of potential UFOs decreasing at 553 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:20,240 least we cannot definitively say there 554 00:23:27,460 --> 00:23:23,690 is a decrease in potential UFOs in my 555 00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,470 opinion has since that since the article 556 00:23:31,710 --> 00:23:29,840 we're talking you know during the the 557 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:31,720 news segment there about the Pentagon 558 00:23:38,529 --> 00:23:35,090 New York Times article do you have any 559 00:23:40,270 --> 00:23:38,539 idea if anything has gone up since then 560 00:23:42,460 --> 00:23:40,280 as far as reporting so I wouldn't has 561 00:23:45,659 --> 00:23:42,470 that made any type of difference you 562 00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:45,669 know what that is a really good question 563 00:23:51,250 --> 00:23:49,520 but looking at the numbers and I think 564 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:51,260 Cheryl Casa would be a great person to 565 00:23:54,279 --> 00:23:52,970 ask you rights for the Syracuse New 566 00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:54,289 Times and it's written a book about 567 00:23:59,890 --> 00:23:57,440 signing reports but I you know as the 568 00:24:02,890 --> 00:23:59,900 end of the year comes to a close I'll be 569 00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:02,900 doing another article where out what 570 00:24:08,529 --> 00:24:05,510 I'll do is I grab at least the high end 571 00:24:10,510 --> 00:24:08,539 stats to take a look at the monthly 572 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:10,520 numbers and where they are and that sort 573 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:11,510 of thing 574 00:24:17,860 --> 00:24:15,890 at least at casually looking at the 575 00:24:21,390 --> 00:24:17,870 numbers I don't see a big change 576 00:24:24,730 --> 00:24:21,400 also from reading Cheryl's articles 577 00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,740 every week and she I haven't seen it her 578 00:24:28,899 --> 00:24:26,480 mention or change or seen it when she 579 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:28,909 shows graphs and numbers so I don't 580 00:24:31,509 --> 00:24:29,450 think 581 00:24:34,899 --> 00:24:31,519 there has been a change and that would 582 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:34,909 make sense in that the article did not 583 00:24:39,730 --> 00:24:37,730 mention MUFON or new Fork so it didn't 584 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:39,740 say hey people if you want to report 585 00:24:44,049 --> 00:24:42,049 here's where to report what would be 586 00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:44,059 interesting though is whether or not de 587 00:24:47,980 --> 00:24:45,950 New York Times got an increase in 588 00:24:51,009 --> 00:24:47,990 sighting reports I would imagine they 589 00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:51,019 would have and/or if the Pentagon or you 590 00:24:56,590 --> 00:24:54,169 know the DoD if or Air Force received 591 00:24:57,970 --> 00:24:56,600 more reports if they did they would 592 00:25:01,200 --> 00:24:57,980 probably just turn people away 593 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:01,210 unfortunately but we do have an example 594 00:25:08,860 --> 00:25:04,370 the Chicago Tribune when they wrote 595 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:08,870 about the O'Hare Airport situation in 596 00:25:15,460 --> 00:25:12,049 2008 where you know a disc-shaped object 597 00:25:19,629 --> 00:25:15,470 was seen over one of the concourse --is 598 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:19,639 there at at Chicago O'Hare Airport and 599 00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:23,690 it was seen by United personnel pilots 600 00:25:28,750 --> 00:25:27,110 and and other people and the witnesses 601 00:25:30,909 --> 00:25:28,760 reported this thing shot straight up 602 00:25:32,590 --> 00:25:30,919 through the sky and poked a hole in the 603 00:25:35,289 --> 00:25:32,600 clouds even that stayed for a little 604 00:25:38,379 --> 00:25:35,299 while before the the hole closed well 605 00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:38,389 the Chicago Tribune wrote about this and 606 00:25:44,889 --> 00:25:41,360 the author of that article was all over 607 00:25:48,250 --> 00:25:44,899 the place and there's even this local 608 00:25:51,820 --> 00:25:48,260 Chicago news report that he did where 609 00:25:53,470 --> 00:25:51,830 the video somehow got released before 610 00:25:54,730 --> 00:25:53,480 they went on the air and during while 611 00:25:57,009 --> 00:25:54,740 they're on the air but they're kind of 612 00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:57,019 crossed chat before they go on the air 613 00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:59,120 and they're talking about just how big 614 00:26:03,940 --> 00:26:00,799 the story was it was the biggest story 615 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:03,950 that he had that the paper I'd ever had 616 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:05,570 and they were getting flooded with 617 00:26:10,330 --> 00:26:08,330 reports he said that there are a lot of 618 00:26:12,490 --> 00:26:10,340 dubious reports from people saying 619 00:26:13,899 --> 00:26:12,500 they're talking to aliens and I think 620 00:26:16,330 --> 00:26:13,909 the termi said as those went into my 621 00:26:19,899 --> 00:26:16,340 circular file but a lot of them were 622 00:26:21,370 --> 00:26:19,909 really credible and you know some of 623 00:26:23,980 --> 00:26:21,380 those other reports could have been 624 00:26:26,379 --> 00:26:23,990 credible as well if he but I could see 625 00:26:28,659 --> 00:26:26,389 because it's Fringe you know he doesn't 626 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:28,669 want to look at that but they were 627 00:26:34,389 --> 00:26:32,690 inundated with UFO reports supposedly so 628 00:26:36,490 --> 00:26:34,399 it's a good point that that could be 629 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:36,500 that could have happened yeah I'm going 630 00:26:41,889 --> 00:26:38,210 to continue this conversation we're at 631 00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:41,899 the break right now we're so I will get 632 00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:42,720 back to that as 633 00:26:47,690 --> 00:26:44,280 soon as we come back because I have a 634 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:47,700 question in regards to that so this is 635 00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:51,570 Martin Willis we are live on kgr a radio 636 00:26:57,380 --> 00:26:55,140 and my guest is Alejandro Rojas and 637 00:26:58,450 --> 00:26:57,390 we're gonna be taking a break stay with 638 00:27:00,649 --> 00:26:58,460 us 639 00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,659 clear three minutes gentlemen three 640 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:02,640 minutes okay thank you 641 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:05,250 all right this parts still on YouTube so 642 00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:07,890 we talked about other stuff yeah so yes 643 00:27:14,350 --> 00:27:11,039 didn't we say like bad words and stuff I 644 00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:14,360 haven't I haven't figured that out I 645 00:27:19,610 --> 00:27:17,340 know I don't really I have I'm not 646 00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:19,620 really much of a Kuster anyway well I 647 00:27:23,409 --> 00:27:21,150 was gonna ask you to tell a joke because 648 00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:23,419 I'm gonna put you in the huts oh yeah oh 649 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:28,289 my gosh tell a joke I'm so terrible okay 650 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:30,450 I've got a joke that's kind of long well 651 00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:32,610 we got three minutes man so okay I think 652 00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:34,980 I could get it this is a the only joke I 653 00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,620 ever remember captain Bravo I don't know 654 00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:39,120 if you've heard this one so there's this 655 00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:41,460 captain Bravo and you know this is 656 00:27:46,610 --> 00:27:43,350 during pirate times way back I don't 657 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:46,620 know 1400 1500 and he's the captain of 658 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:48,510 this ship we'll say an English ship or 659 00:27:52,930 --> 00:27:50,130 something you know and they're sailing 660 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:52,940 yeah that art type of thing and they see 661 00:27:58,159 --> 00:27:56,010 pirate so down from the crow's nest you 662 00:28:00,380 --> 00:27:58,169 hear captain Bravo captain Bravo there's 663 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:00,390 a pirate ship on the horizon captain 664 00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:02,970 Bravo says bring me my red shirt so they 665 00:28:06,049 --> 00:28:04,860 bring him a red shirt they take on these 666 00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:06,059 pirates and they take him and 667 00:28:11,270 --> 00:28:08,240 everybody's like yeah yay captain Bravo 668 00:28:13,399 --> 00:28:11,280 well a few days pass and down from the 669 00:28:16,029 --> 00:28:13,409 crow's nest comes captain Bravo captain 670 00:28:18,980 --> 00:28:16,039 Bravo three pirate ships on the horizon 671 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:18,990 captain Bravo says first mate grab me my 672 00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,110 red shirt and they take on the Pirates 673 00:28:25,940 --> 00:28:24,000 and they actually win and everybody's 674 00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:25,950 like oh yeah a captain probably you're 675 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:28,500 amazing and they tell him why do you 676 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:30,090 call for a red shirt every time before 677 00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:32,010 we go into battle and he says well you 678 00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:34,500 know when I get hurt and I'm bleeding 679 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:36,120 you don't notice because of the red 680 00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:38,370 shirt and you think I'm invincible and 681 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:40,230 that makes you fight even harder and 682 00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:42,809 they're like whoa captain Bravo so smart 683 00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:46,409 so they're like eh captain Bravo so a 684 00:28:51,740 --> 00:28:49,080 few days pass and down from the crow's 685 00:28:54,010 --> 00:28:51,750 nest they yell captain Bravo captain 686 00:28:56,060 --> 00:28:54,020 Bravo five pirate ships on the horizon 687 00:29:02,210 --> 00:28:56,070 so captain Bravo you 688 00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:02,220 first mate grab me my brown pants I'm 689 00:29:07,460 --> 00:29:03,750 trying not to laugh I was trying not to 690 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:07,470 laugh yeah you couldn't do it yeah 691 00:29:12,590 --> 00:29:09,930 yep bill even we even got laugh from the 692 00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:12,600 peanut gallery yeah yeah 693 00:29:16,930 --> 00:29:14,820 so yeah it's my deal my delivery it must 694 00:29:19,580 --> 00:29:16,940 be my delivery in jokes that's that's 695 00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:19,590 yeah I don't know how that one could be 696 00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:22,200 delivered I could see that one being in 697 00:29:26,780 --> 00:29:25,020 a cartoon yeah well kind of hearing 698 00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:26,790 things in your head you know yeah that 699 00:29:30,020 --> 00:29:27,480 type of thing 700 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:30,030 it was a brake chair yeah the next break 701 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:32,850 I'm going to we're going to be fielding 702 00:29:39,050 --> 00:29:35,850 questions from the chat room so anyone 703 00:29:41,030 --> 00:29:39,060 that's in YouTube right now I don't have 704 00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:41,040 a chance to go over to kgr a radio but 705 00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:43,350 anyone that's in YouTube can put a 706 00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:44,940 question in the chat room during our 707 00:29:48,530 --> 00:29:46,710 next break and then of course we take 708 00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:48,540 we're gonna take calls after that as 709 00:29:51,860 --> 00:29:49,080 well 710 00:29:54,020 --> 00:29:51,870 bill we're up about 20 minutes about 20 711 00:29:54,890 --> 00:29:54,030 seconds 20 seconds I'm in yeah seconds 712 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:54,900 minutes Wow 713 00:30:00,680 --> 00:29:56,730 okay that would have been a lot of jokes 714 00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:00,690 that would have been yeah okay so that's 715 00:30:12,850 --> 00:30:07,140 good it's down by about 15 yep to make 716 00:30:20,509 --> 00:30:17,899 coming back in 3 2 1 go 717 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:20,519 all right welcome back this is Martin 718 00:30:26,899 --> 00:30:23,450 Willis my guest is Alejandro Rojas and 719 00:30:28,899 --> 00:30:26,909 this is a podcast UFO so Alejandro 720 00:30:32,169 --> 00:30:28,909 before the break we were talking about 721 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:32,179 O'Hare and the reporter getting all the 722 00:30:39,610 --> 00:30:36,330 reports I did have a conversation via 723 00:30:41,869 --> 00:30:39,620 email with one other with the reporter 724 00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,879 involved at the New York Times I can't 725 00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:43,200 remember her name she was one of the 726 00:30:51,499 --> 00:30:46,740 three that wrote that nicely not Leslie 727 00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:51,509 not o not Leslie okay nope the New York 728 00:30:57,470 --> 00:30:55,200 Times in-house reporters right I believe 729 00:30:59,409 --> 00:30:57,480 she remember her name but doesn't wiggle 730 00:31:02,539 --> 00:30:59,419 it she does some reporting on the 731 00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:02,549 Pentagon work I believe that's that's 732 00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:04,110 what her her gig is at The New York 733 00:31:06,529 --> 00:31:04,590 Times 734 00:31:10,879 --> 00:31:06,539 I think it's Barbara something but 735 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:10,889 anyway is Helene Cooper boy did I ever 736 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:12,450 get that wrong doesn't sound like 737 00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:14,730 Barbara anyway I did have I have an 738 00:31:19,940 --> 00:31:17,100 email exchange with her and I think I'm 739 00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,950 going to revisit and send her an email 740 00:31:25,330 --> 00:31:22,320 and ask her what has happened as far as 741 00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:25,340 reports I bet people are regulation 742 00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:26,460 mm-hmm 743 00:31:31,009 --> 00:31:28,440 and you know what would be interesting 744 00:31:33,109 --> 00:31:31,019 too well an interview with her would be 745 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:33,119 really interesting she would hum I did 746 00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,330 try because the other question was you 747 00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:38,399 know I would love to know is what she 748 00:31:45,529 --> 00:31:41,220 thought of the phenomena prior to the 749 00:31:48,499 --> 00:31:45,539 article and what she thinks now and also 750 00:31:50,659 --> 00:31:48,509 you know what she feels about the 751 00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:50,669 information so for instance what's 752 00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:52,080 interesting about the New York Times 753 00:31:59,419 --> 00:31:56,159 article is that you have the videos and 754 00:32:02,659 --> 00:31:59,429 you have references to documents that 755 00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,669 two stars has also referenced and Louise 756 00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:04,559 Elizondo who used to work for the 757 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:08,580 program also has referenced however so 758 00:32:13,609 --> 00:32:11,610 everybody assumed that to the stars gave 759 00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:13,619 the New York Times these all of this 760 00:32:19,609 --> 00:32:16,559 material but that's not true according 761 00:32:22,430 --> 00:32:19,619 to Leslie Kane they actually had their 762 00:32:24,499 --> 00:32:22,440 own anonymous source from within the 763 00:32:26,540 --> 00:32:24,509 Department of Defense that they received 764 00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:26,550 a lot of that material from 765 00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:28,710 so there was a lot of material that they 766 00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:32,640 vetted so they saw a lot of stuff in 767 00:32:36,380 --> 00:32:34,860 fact they saw a lot more stuff for 768 00:32:38,450 --> 00:32:36,390 instance the New York Times did not 769 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:38,460 release those documents they still have 770 00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:42,570 them yes so she saw more stuff than they 771 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:46,080 even were able to to release that says 772 00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:47,370 she saw a lot of very credible 773 00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:51,120 information that's true and there there 774 00:32:55,370 --> 00:32:53,700 was I did contact her and asked her if I 775 00:32:57,380 --> 00:32:55,380 could possibly interview her and she 776 00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:57,390 said you know she referred me to Leslie 777 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:01,140 and you know and as I already said no 778 00:33:05,230 --> 00:33:02,730 I've talked to Leslie a number of times 779 00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:05,240 and would love to talk to you but anyway 780 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:08,820 she was interviewed they have of the New 781 00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:11,250 York Times daily podcast and they did a 782 00:33:17,510 --> 00:33:14,220 whole segment on on that on the UFO 783 00:33:20,510 --> 00:33:17,520 story which was really really good it's 784 00:33:22,670 --> 00:33:20,520 a great podcast anyway but that that was 785 00:33:25,310 --> 00:33:22,680 just on that and mostly with her and 786 00:33:28,460 --> 00:33:25,320 Louella you know Lou Allison Doe was in 787 00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:28,470 it and it's up on my website actually 788 00:33:32,930 --> 00:33:30,510 it's on podcast UFO calm for anyone 789 00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:32,940 wants to check that out it's it's up 790 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:37,950 there as a podcast anyone can listen to 791 00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:40,650 it for free on there so if the file is 792 00:33:46,550 --> 00:33:43,320 still good that is so Alejandra one of 793 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:46,560 the things I don't think a lot of people 794 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:50,250 have heard basically the backstory of 795 00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,010 you and that's what I wanted to you know 796 00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,720 you and I always talk about UFOs and 797 00:34:00,800 --> 00:33:56,880 space and interesting things like that 798 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:00,810 but but as far as as far as you you know 799 00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:04,170 what started you you mentioned your your 800 00:34:10,130 --> 00:34:07,620 your girlfriend's father so you had to 801 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:10,140 take some turns your interest into 802 00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:12,090 journalism and all that what made you 803 00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:16,740 decide to take the path that you did and 804 00:34:23,780 --> 00:34:19,320 how early on did you have an interest in 805 00:34:29,630 --> 00:34:23,790 this type of topic I guess I've always 806 00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:29,640 had an interest I like to say that you 807 00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:33,300 know living in Colorado which I consider 808 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:37,110 the Southwest if you visit Colorado I 809 00:34:40,110 --> 00:34:38,370 don't know that they always consider 810 00:34:42,210 --> 00:34:40,120 themselves not like Arizona 811 00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:42,220 New Mexico where you know they really 812 00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,470 embrace that being part of the Southwest 813 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:46,480 but they are in parts of Colorado where 814 00:34:53,820 --> 00:34:49,930 Mexico in fact when I was in college I 815 00:34:56,190 --> 00:34:53,830 was president of the the Hispanic 816 00:34:58,170 --> 00:34:56,200 Association out there and a lot of our 817 00:34:59,460 --> 00:34:58,180 sayings for those of us from the area 818 00:35:01,800 --> 00:34:59,470 was we didn't cross the border the 819 00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:01,810 border crossed us because our families 820 00:35:06,810 --> 00:35:04,720 go back very many generations to where 821 00:35:08,250 --> 00:35:06,820 this area where families are from New 822 00:35:12,210 --> 00:35:08,260 Mexico in those areas you know we're 823 00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:12,220 Mexico so in that area it you know I 824 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:15,340 think it's really unique especially and 825 00:35:20,970 --> 00:35:17,650 when I was growing up in Denver like all 826 00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:20,980 of the Mexican Americans were had roots 827 00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:23,680 in the valley San Luis Valley and New 828 00:35:30,090 --> 00:35:26,950 Mexico area and what's unique about it 829 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:30,100 is it's a melding of Native American and 830 00:35:38,730 --> 00:35:35,250 kind of and you know Mexican American 831 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:38,740 and so there's a lot of legends in the 832 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:40,810 area I always heard about the legends in 833 00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:43,330 San Luis Valley my grandma had an 834 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:46,270 interesting story about that and of 835 00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:49,090 course Chris O'Brien is a researcher who 836 00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:50,800 wrote the mysterious Valley about the 837 00:35:55,350 --> 00:35:53,440 San Luis Valley and so hearing these 838 00:35:57,210 --> 00:35:55,360 stories and kind of both of those 839 00:36:00,420 --> 00:35:57,220 cultures all of those cultures being 840 00:36:04,020 --> 00:36:00,430 open to the paranormal I was always 841 00:36:06,510 --> 00:36:04,030 interested and so I kept an eye on it 842 00:36:08,970 --> 00:36:06,520 when I got into high school I got into 843 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:08,980 math and science was the was what 844 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:12,250 interested me the most Oh 845 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:15,970 Martin's leaving I really bored him with 846 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:20,530 this story I guess but I'm off camera so 847 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:24,010 I'm like yeah okay now it looks great 848 00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:29,050 but so I got into math and science and I 849 00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:32,070 guess that's when I was kind of more of 850 00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:34,870 you know that's what I've really adopted 851 00:36:41,490 --> 00:36:38,710 the philosophies behind science and and 852 00:36:43,950 --> 00:36:41,500 I guess the pragmatism in a way and I 853 00:36:49,050 --> 00:36:43,960 thought you know I need to in a way be 854 00:36:51,690 --> 00:36:49,060 honor my ancestry in in giving the 855 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:51,700 benefit of the doubt but then also 856 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:53,410 needed to 857 00:37:01,590 --> 00:36:56,530 put it under its its paces put it it 858 00:37:04,410 --> 00:37:01,600 into the in trying to you know be 859 00:37:08,460 --> 00:37:04,420 pragmatic about whether or not these 860 00:37:10,110 --> 00:37:08,470 phenomena exists and I've kind of gone 861 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:10,120 back and forth but you know what I've 862 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:13,510 always felt is that even if you do take 863 00:37:20,430 --> 00:37:15,850 a scientific look at all of this stuff 864 00:37:22,820 --> 00:37:20,440 what you cannot do is disprove a lot of 865 00:37:26,610 --> 00:37:22,830 this anecdotal information and in 866 00:37:30,260 --> 00:37:26,620 science anecdotal information is what 867 00:37:35,730 --> 00:37:30,270 kind of is the impetus to science we 868 00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:35,740 observe a phenomena we theorize what 869 00:37:41,850 --> 00:37:39,070 might the phenomena might be we test 870 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:41,860 those theories and we come to 871 00:37:47,010 --> 00:37:44,410 conclusions or understandings about you 872 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:47,020 know the natural world and there are a 873 00:37:52,020 --> 00:37:49,330 lot of issues that I believe are still 874 00:37:54,510 --> 00:37:52,030 outstanding and I think that's what's 875 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:54,520 fascinating and especially when I was 876 00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:57,370 you know in journalism because I did 877 00:38:04,740 --> 00:37:58,960 change from wanting to be a rocket 878 00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:04,750 scientists to wanting to be a journalist 879 00:38:10,050 --> 00:38:06,430 and so I was doing all kinds of 880 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:10,060 journalist stuff in school and this is 881 00:38:16,290 --> 00:38:13,570 now college and I saw there was a lot of 882 00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:16,300 stories out there that were being shared 883 00:38:23,850 --> 00:38:19,150 and this was the 90s and the 90s was 884 00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:23,860 kind of a bad time for UFOs it was all 885 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:25,780 the television shows ended with a 886 00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,090 debunking where they totally debunked 887 00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:30,400 you know everything they had just told 888 00:38:36,930 --> 00:38:33,880 you and then it was shows I think really 889 00:38:39,210 --> 00:38:36,940 UFO FILES which john greenwald helped 890 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:39,220 produce some of the the seasons there 891 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:42,130 that stopped doing that and just showing 892 00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:43,450 the information and letting people 893 00:38:48,420 --> 00:38:46,990 decide on their own but those who I 894 00:38:51,390 --> 00:38:48,430 thought there all of the television 895 00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:51,400 shows a lot that's out there didn't 896 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:53,230 include some of the more interesting 897 00:38:59,370 --> 00:38:56,770 stories that there are and there's so 898 00:39:02,640 --> 00:38:59,380 many so I just kind of had this 899 00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:02,650 compulsion to share these stories and to 900 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:03,910 learn more 901 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:05,890 in fact when I really when the bug 902 00:39:08,730 --> 00:39:06,730 really bit 903 00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:08,740 which was probably just after college 904 00:39:15,180 --> 00:39:10,990 when I was a corporate trainer by that 905 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:15,190 time I just like you know for a period 906 00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,170 of time was like a hermit I go home and 907 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:19,119 read books read books read books read 908 00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,930 books about this topic and and and then 909 00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:24,640 eventually joined MUFON as an 910 00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:28,150 investigator and then kind of came back 911 00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:30,609 to - what is natural to me which is 912 00:39:36,810 --> 00:39:32,470 sharing stories and writing about this 913 00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:36,820 stuff so so yeah so and in fact even 914 00:39:55,710 --> 00:39:48,660 don't know what happened let's see 915 00:39:57,300 --> 00:39:55,720 so everyone Alejandro has frozen and I'm 916 00:39:58,849 --> 00:39:57,310 not sure it looks like a Skype thing 917 00:40:02,130 --> 00:39:58,859 I've never had this happen before 918 00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:02,140 let me go into another screen right here 919 00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:07,710 and I will I guess 920 00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:11,200 the screen is just plain frozen so I'm 921 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:17,080 going to I'm going to hang up and whoops 922 00:40:30,090 --> 00:40:20,770 hope I didn't hang up on everyone Billy 923 00:40:33,330 --> 00:40:30,100 is still there all again with Alejandro 924 00:40:35,820 --> 00:40:33,340 Rojas all right bill 925 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:35,830 yes I'm just letting all my listeners 926 00:40:38,430 --> 00:40:37,210 know that you're having technical issues 927 00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:38,440 yes thank you 928 00:40:44,220 --> 00:40:41,250 and I don't know what's going on here 929 00:40:46,830 --> 00:40:44,230 and it's a little little early to go to 930 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:46,840 break so I'm just waiting trying to get 931 00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:53,410 him back on so yeah it's a strangest 932 00:40:59,970 --> 00:40:54,609 thing I've never seen anything like it 933 00:41:01,859 --> 00:40:59,980 is all of a sudden it just froze okay so 934 00:41:03,870 --> 00:41:01,869 I guess up what I'll do is I'll continue 935 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:03,880 it's it's trying to call them but 936 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:12,490 nothing's happening so I will let's say 937 00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:14,650 I will take some questions in the chat 938 00:41:21,179 --> 00:41:17,440 room until we get Alejandro back on if 939 00:41:29,699 --> 00:41:25,289 please post it in the chat room or give 940 00:41:33,380 --> 00:41:29,709 a call the phone line is open 941 00:41:37,410 --> 00:41:33,390 and people can call the number is 603 942 00:41:39,569 --> 00:41:37,420 967 403 oh we're taking calls if someone 943 00:41:43,019 --> 00:41:39,579 liked to call in I'm gonna text 944 00:41:49,319 --> 00:41:43,029 meanwhile Alejandro and see if I can 945 00:41:56,009 --> 00:41:49,329 raise him that way and I'm going to ask 946 00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:56,019 him to Skype me and I apologize to the 947 00:42:04,949 --> 00:42:00,400 live listener I don't dare to try to I 948 00:42:07,529 --> 00:42:04,959 guess I will try to hang up on him bill 949 00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:07,539 are you there bill I am here all right 950 00:42:12,029 --> 00:42:10,150 bill maybe it's gonna be a show with you 951 00:42:14,819 --> 00:42:12,039 and I Hey 952 00:42:18,029 --> 00:42:14,829 Oh for nothing alejandro does a lot of 953 00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:18,039 great work with UFO Congress and some of 954 00:42:23,729 --> 00:42:21,089 the various he's back I think he's back 955 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:23,739 Alejandro hello hello do you have any 956 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:27,130 idea what happened Alejandro no uh you 957 00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,650 froze I I heard you and you're like uh 958 00:42:34,650 --> 00:42:31,839 oh Alejandro froze and I could hear you 959 00:42:36,919 --> 00:42:34,660 and so I and then you froze soon after 960 00:42:40,739 --> 00:42:36,929 that and then it said there was a a 961 00:42:43,319 --> 00:42:40,749 network problem so well you're back and 962 00:42:44,849 --> 00:42:43,329 I don't know because I'm so frazzled I 963 00:42:46,859 --> 00:42:44,859 don't even remember what we were talking 964 00:42:49,019 --> 00:42:46,869 about so we were talking about kind of 965 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:49,029 my background in interests in this stuff 966 00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:51,729 so I'm not sure if I got through that at 967 00:42:57,089 --> 00:42:55,569 all before the freezing yeah I'm not 968 00:43:01,259 --> 00:42:57,099 quite sure I think you were talking 969 00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:01,269 about you know journalism and then you 970 00:43:09,089 --> 00:43:04,329 know things on the insert and bits and 971 00:43:11,279 --> 00:43:09,099 pieces yes so I guess I just yeah I just 972 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:11,289 you know came back to wanting to share 973 00:43:16,459 --> 00:43:14,410 that credible information and with MUFON 974 00:43:21,479 --> 00:43:16,469 I eventually became their spokesperson 975 00:43:25,579 --> 00:43:21,489 in PR and director of Education this was 976 00:43:28,759 --> 00:43:25,589 by the time actually about the time that 977 00:43:32,699 --> 00:43:28,769 we I was a director when Bigelow 978 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:32,709 approached move on to come up with that 979 00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:33,490 partnership 980 00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:39,430 and which was a an extraordinary 981 00:43:47,339 --> 00:43:44,500 opportunity for MUFON and and and for 982 00:43:49,310 --> 00:43:47,349 this field but unfortunately it didn't 983 00:43:52,820 --> 00:43:49,320 end up working out but little did I know 984 00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:52,830 where the money was coming from right 985 00:43:59,599 --> 00:43:56,160 actually coming from the government 986 00:44:02,730 --> 00:43:59,609 coming from the app the government as 987 00:44:03,870 --> 00:44:02,740 that was part of and and we know this 988 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:03,880 this is confirmed 989 00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:05,890 well I've discussed it one on one with 990 00:44:10,170 --> 00:44:07,990 George Knapp who's confirmed it but I 991 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:10,180 believe one of his articles has also 992 00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:13,210 confirmed that which makes sense I mean 993 00:44:17,339 --> 00:44:16,000 we it was a safe assumption to make 994 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:17,349 because that was the same time they were 995 00:44:22,109 --> 00:44:20,650 receiving funding but we did you know at 996 00:44:26,310 --> 00:44:22,119 least George or somebody had confirmed 997 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:26,320 that yeah that was that program was part 998 00:44:32,130 --> 00:44:29,530 of the a tip funding or a sauce at work 999 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:32,140 you know Pentagon funding now I had 1000 00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:35,250 heard you know sort of controversial 1001 00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:37,599 things about that particular situation 1002 00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:40,920 as far as Bigelow being able to 1003 00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:44,280 basically review the files so basically 1004 00:44:51,930 --> 00:44:49,630 what what was the details of that so the 1005 00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:51,940 details and I love to straighten this 1006 00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:56,560 out and that because it's unfortunate I 1007 00:45:00,420 --> 00:44:58,810 used to term recently oh yeah I was 1008 00:45:03,780 --> 00:45:00,430 bragging about using this term on my 1009 00:45:07,470 --> 00:45:03,790 show with you I think and that was that 1010 00:45:09,690 --> 00:45:07,480 in in the UFO field we tend to be really 1011 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:09,700 bad at eating our own and the bigger the 1012 00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:12,130 fish the more we feast and certainly 1013 00:45:18,540 --> 00:45:14,920 Bigelow is a big fish and people just 1014 00:45:21,870 --> 00:45:18,550 attack Bigelow which is unfortunate 1015 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:21,880 because my experience has been that him 1016 00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:24,490 and his organization and it's been 1017 00:45:28,620 --> 00:45:26,710 George's adaps experience a 1018 00:45:32,070 --> 00:45:28,630 investigative journalist there in Las 1019 00:45:33,810 --> 00:45:32,080 Vegas who has been close to - Bigelow 1020 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:33,820 wrote the book hunt for the skinwalker 1021 00:45:38,609 --> 00:45:35,890 about their probably their most famous 1022 00:45:40,260 --> 00:45:38,619 you know investigation that we also 1023 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:40,270 found out was funded by the government 1024 00:45:47,310 --> 00:45:44,290 for the most part that really this is a 1025 00:45:51,090 --> 00:45:47,320 genuine effort to investigate 1026 00:45:55,410 --> 00:45:51,100 the phenomena the terms of the agreement 1027 00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,420 were essentially can you still hear me 1028 00:46:00,360 --> 00:45:58,240 oh yeah okay because I got a text from 1029 00:46:03,630 --> 00:46:00,370 you but I figured that was probably that 1030 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:03,640 was a while ago a while ago yeah but the 1031 00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:06,910 terms were essentially that Bigelow that 1032 00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:09,070 a star team would be made that Bigelow 1033 00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:11,230 would fund and this was a rapid-response 1034 00:46:17,970 --> 00:46:15,760 team so but it was with MUFON so Bigelow 1035 00:46:19,410 --> 00:46:17,980 would fund move on to create this so 1036 00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:19,420 that there would be transparency and 1037 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:21,430 MUFON would have control over everything 1038 00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:25,090 which they did this team then was to 1039 00:46:30,090 --> 00:46:27,760 very quickly respond when something 1040 00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:30,100 would occur which is exactly the sort of 1041 00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:32,230 thing MUFON would like to do but didn't 1042 00:46:39,590 --> 00:46:35,760 have the funds or the resources to do so 1043 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:39,600 Bigelow would then I get information 1044 00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:43,210 from these cases and all the others but 1045 00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:45,790 no sooner than anyone else for instance 1046 00:46:50,660 --> 00:46:47,500 all of that information was posted 1047 00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:50,670 online I received that information 1048 00:46:56,310 --> 00:46:54,880 myself so it that's that's how this 1049 00:47:00,240 --> 00:46:56,320 worked and then Bigelow funded 1050 00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,250 investigation and funded being able to 1051 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:02,640 analyze the materials and and 1052 00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:06,850 information that was retrieved so during 1053 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:10,000 this time there were times where MUFON 1054 00:47:15,690 --> 00:47:12,610 personnel just could not respond quickly 1055 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:15,700 enough and protocol was that MUFON was 1056 00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:17,290 to get there first they were the lead 1057 00:47:23,130 --> 00:47:19,990 investigators but MUFON is full of 1058 00:47:25,070 --> 00:47:23,140 volunteers most everybody has jobs and 1059 00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:25,080 they can't just drop everything kids 1060 00:47:29,340 --> 00:47:27,310 responsibilities they can't drop any 1061 00:47:32,090 --> 00:47:29,350 everything and I think I remember 1062 00:47:34,110 --> 00:47:32,100 quickly correctly there was a case where 1063 00:47:36,090 --> 00:47:34,120 MUFON just couldn't get there for like 1064 00:47:38,190 --> 00:47:36,100 two weeks and big lows people are like 1065 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:38,200 we can't wait that long you know we need 1066 00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,570 to get out there now and somewhere along 1067 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:42,160 the line that was approved where Bigelow 1068 00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:44,410 could go I it said that their 1069 00:47:48,750 --> 00:47:46,150 organization could send people out there 1070 00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:48,760 and to begin the investigation and that 1071 00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:52,440 has caused some of the confusion however 1072 00:47:57,330 --> 00:47:55,030 you know I was in touch with a guy who 1073 00:47:59,280 --> 00:47:57,340 ran that program Richard Lang and in 1074 00:48:00,849 --> 00:47:59,290 fact I have interviews on my podcast 1075 00:48:04,269 --> 00:48:00,859 with him about 1076 00:48:06,729 --> 00:48:04,279 all of this and Mike you know goal was 1077 00:48:09,009 --> 00:48:06,739 transparency nobody was going to the 1078 00:48:11,769 --> 00:48:09,019 source to let Richard share you know his 1079 00:48:13,539 --> 00:48:11,779 experience with it and people said oh 1080 00:48:14,799 --> 00:48:13,549 you know Bigelow bought all this 1081 00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:14,809 material and hid it 1082 00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:17,839 no everyone had access to that in fact 1083 00:48:23,499 --> 00:48:21,529 you can find all of those Bigelow cases 1084 00:48:26,410 --> 00:48:23,509 the best of the best and what they 1085 00:48:29,529 --> 00:48:26,420 discovered in open minds magazine and 1086 00:48:32,529 --> 00:48:29,539 even on our website we wrote about all 1087 00:48:35,799 --> 00:48:32,539 of these cases in detail and there were 1088 00:48:38,019 --> 00:48:35,809 some really good cases there were I know 1089 00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:38,029 a case on the Navajo Nation where this 1090 00:48:45,489 --> 00:48:40,910 you know young woman was followed by 1091 00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,499 this orb and I there was some sort of 1092 00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:47,359 effects I can't remember the detail to 1093 00:48:51,569 --> 00:48:49,730 that vehicle but there was another case 1094 00:48:54,099 --> 00:48:51,579 and I believe this was in the East Coast 1095 00:48:57,130 --> 00:48:54,109 similar sort of thing a person seeing a 1096 00:48:59,069 --> 00:48:57,140 UFO and their car stopping and they got 1097 00:49:01,479 --> 00:48:59,079 there and they were able to measure an 1098 00:49:03,819 --> 00:49:01,489 electromagnetic effect on the vehicle 1099 00:49:07,059 --> 00:49:03,829 the owner of the vehicle was so freaked 1100 00:49:09,940 --> 00:49:07,069 out about this he sold the car so there 1101 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:09,950 were a lot of great cases that were a 1102 00:49:16,089 --> 00:49:14,450 result of these investigations and and 1103 00:49:20,109 --> 00:49:16,099 all of that material was shared with 1104 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:20,119 everyone so you know people claiming 1105 00:49:26,109 --> 00:49:22,130 that oh you know Bigelow hoarded and hid 1106 00:49:29,499 --> 00:49:26,119 information that was not the case at all 1107 00:49:31,509 --> 00:49:29,509 and I was able to confirm with everyone 1108 00:49:33,819 --> 00:49:31,519 that that you know I had the material in 1109 00:49:35,799 --> 00:49:33,829 fact when we printed that at open minds 1110 00:49:37,779 --> 00:49:35,809 those stories people complain well why 1111 00:49:41,339 --> 00:49:37,789 does Alejandro get that why did they get 1112 00:49:44,430 --> 00:49:41,349 a predict by then I wasn't officially a 1113 00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:44,440 you know part of the leadership of MUFON 1114 00:49:48,849 --> 00:49:47,390 but like they said well anybody could 1115 00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:48,859 have gotten this information and in fact 1116 00:49:53,049 --> 00:49:50,960 you know they shared that with other 1117 00:49:54,579 --> 00:49:53,059 people as well so when they complain 1118 00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:54,589 they were like well you do you want it 1119 00:49:58,599 --> 00:49:56,390 now look good and so they you know gave 1120 00:50:00,509 --> 00:49:58,609 them the stories too so all of these 1121 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:00,519 reports I think we're even all online 1122 00:50:10,269 --> 00:50:06,130 but all you know accessible for anyone 1123 00:50:11,950 --> 00:50:10,279 and so you know I know people dispute 1124 00:50:14,350 --> 00:50:11,960 that and there's all these legends and 1125 00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,360 mythologies but that's my firsthand 1126 00:50:18,820 --> 00:50:16,640 experience had having witnessed though 1127 00:50:22,930 --> 00:50:18,830 the whole thing 1128 00:50:27,460 --> 00:50:22,940 there also were conflicts within MUFON 1129 00:50:31,450 --> 00:50:27,470 management regarding you know the 1130 00:50:35,050 --> 00:50:31,460 program and unfortunately you know that 1131 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:35,060 really kind of led to the fall of the 1132 00:50:41,790 --> 00:50:37,010 where the program just didn't work out 1133 00:50:45,610 --> 00:50:41,800 and it's partially you know I think that 1134 00:50:49,500 --> 00:50:45,620 Bigelow was trying to take advantage of 1135 00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,510 and bolster an already existing network 1136 00:50:52,990 --> 00:50:51,680 and what they could have done is not 1137 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:53,000 done that just gone with their own 1138 00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:55,370 people but MUFON already has boots on 1139 00:50:59,410 --> 00:50:57,650 the ground all over the country so 1140 00:51:03,390 --> 00:50:59,420 ideally it would make sense that that 1141 00:51:05,620 --> 00:51:03,400 would work but MUFON is just a volunteer 1142 00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:05,630 organization and I think that's kind of 1143 00:51:10,780 --> 00:51:08,270 what made it most difficult is that you 1144 00:51:12,850 --> 00:51:10,790 know it wasn't people who could drop 1145 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:12,860 everything and go running and do these 1146 00:51:17,980 --> 00:51:15,890 things and there were people there were 1147 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:17,990 territorial disputes people can get 1148 00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:20,810 pretty territorial over what happens in 1149 00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:24,950 their states and so yeah so there were 1150 00:51:30,670 --> 00:51:28,910 people just were hesitant and so it did 1151 00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:30,680 all break down eventually and then 1152 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:36,520 rumors got started and and you know 1153 00:51:42,550 --> 00:51:39,050 people were sharing inaccurate 1154 00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:42,560 information that you know knew better I 1155 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:46,340 will put it that way but it was 1156 00:51:51,340 --> 00:51:49,490 unfortunate that apart we've got about 1157 00:51:52,690 --> 00:51:51,350 four minutes to break how did it 1158 00:51:54,820 --> 00:51:52,700 actually and I have another question 1159 00:52:01,300 --> 00:51:54,830 about that but how did it actually fall 1160 00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:01,310 apart and in crash and and actually well 1161 00:52:06,460 --> 00:52:03,200 it was these disputes internal disputes 1162 00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:06,470 with MUFON and then and it was often 1163 00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:09,920 over records because you know Bigelow 1164 00:52:18,970 --> 00:52:13,910 had an expectation over how the 1165 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:18,980 financial records were kept and and you 1166 00:52:23,010 --> 00:52:20,650 know there were kind of just 1167 00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:23,020 difficulties in that way because again 1168 00:52:30,420 --> 00:52:27,760 really I think in that aspect 1169 00:52:31,710 --> 00:52:30,430 would a organization like MUFON probably 1170 00:52:33,690 --> 00:52:31,720 and this is probably what should have 1171 00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,700 happened is they should have hired maybe 1172 00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:35,920 an accountant to oversee all of that 1173 00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:37,510 that probably would have been wise to 1174 00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:39,670 make sure that was all transparent and 1175 00:52:42,930 --> 00:52:40,480 on the up-and-up 1176 00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:42,940 but it was all resource issues MUFON 1177 00:52:47,099 --> 00:52:45,070 just didn't have the resources just like 1178 00:52:48,570 --> 00:52:47,109 always and people always you know that 1179 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:48,580 was a big thing that I used to have to 1180 00:52:52,290 --> 00:52:50,290 talk about when I was doing PR for move 1181 00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:52,300 on why does it move on to this and why 1182 00:52:56,430 --> 00:52:54,910 doesn't it move on do that I would try 1183 00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:56,440 to say you know first of all we don't 1184 00:53:00,750 --> 00:52:58,210 have the resources we're stretched in 1185 00:53:02,580 --> 00:53:00,760 four already for what we do and mostly 1186 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:02,590 you know people are volunteering their 1187 00:53:08,099 --> 00:53:06,250 time the board for instance all of those 1188 00:53:11,550 --> 00:53:08,109 individuals have kicked in their own 1189 00:53:13,650 --> 00:53:11,560 funds periodically to keep MUFON going I 1190 00:53:15,570 --> 00:53:13,660 can only imagine how some of those long 1191 00:53:18,090 --> 00:53:15,580 timers like Bob woods how much money 1192 00:53:22,170 --> 00:53:18,100 they put into it so it's it's you know a 1193 00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:22,180 volunteer thing and so when you're 1194 00:53:26,820 --> 00:53:24,250 you've got this conflict between you 1195 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:26,830 know a more corporate type of structure 1196 00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:28,690 and then this volunteer organization I 1197 00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:33,119 think there's probably some sort of 1198 00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:36,250 structure that needed to be put in place 1199 00:53:42,990 --> 00:53:39,190 that was more formal and probably more 1200 00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:43,000 robust that kind of oversaw things well 1201 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:44,800 we got about just a couple minutes to 1202 00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:48,490 break but so if if Bob Bigelow was 1203 00:53:53,820 --> 00:53:51,130 actually at that time funded or back 1204 00:53:57,150 --> 00:53:53,830 funded from the Pentagon or whatever 1205 00:53:59,940 --> 00:53:57,160 whatever program it was how far back 1206 00:54:02,400 --> 00:53:59,950 were they standing in other words up 1207 00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:02,410 were they getting all the information or 1208 00:54:07,140 --> 00:54:05,170 did they require it as far as you know 1209 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:07,150 required to get the information or of 1210 00:54:13,230 --> 00:54:10,330 any you know important cases or do they 1211 00:54:14,910 --> 00:54:13,240 yeah essentially one other question does 1212 00:54:16,650 --> 00:54:14,920 anyone from the government actually get 1213 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:16,660 involved directly boots on the ground 1214 00:54:20,310 --> 00:54:18,250 with any of the cases that you're aware 1215 00:54:23,070 --> 00:54:20,320 of oh no nobody 1216 00:54:25,140 --> 00:54:23,080 I don't think because that was a well 1217 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:25,150 hidden secret that there was any 1218 00:54:28,859 --> 00:54:27,250 government involvement at all so there 1219 00:54:31,620 --> 00:54:28,869 was definitely no boots on the ground in 1220 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:31,630 fact a lot of people who were involved 1221 00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:34,210 with Bigelow at the time overseeing this 1222 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:36,310 on the Bigelow site were not even aware 1223 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:39,970 of government involvement until this 1224 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:41,530 last December 1225 00:54:48,060 --> 00:54:45,850 Wow yeah isn't that crazy yeah and do 1226 00:54:51,810 --> 00:54:48,070 you know we have just one minute here to 1227 00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:51,820 go but do you know if the the government 1228 00:54:57,900 --> 00:54:54,400 actually took any interest in certain 1229 00:55:00,240 --> 00:54:57,910 cases and you know almost like Bluebook 1230 00:55:04,740 --> 00:55:00,250 in a way you know mm-hmm it seems like 1231 00:55:08,190 --> 00:55:04,750 they're they still had like just you 1232 00:55:10,070 --> 00:55:08,200 know deniability set up but still they 1233 00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:10,080 had they had a curiosity it sounds like 1234 00:55:16,350 --> 00:55:13,390 yeah and we don't know any of that 1235 00:55:18,930 --> 00:55:16,360 so unfortunately even Elizondo can't 1236 00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:18,940 share that information the only thing 1237 00:55:23,250 --> 00:55:21,310 the only case that they've shared that 1238 00:55:25,740 --> 00:55:23,260 they had an interest in it's the Nimitz 1239 00:55:27,870 --> 00:55:25,750 one they've released of course a couple 1240 00:55:30,060 --> 00:55:27,880 of other videos and at least one of 1241 00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:30,070 those we know a little bit or at least 1242 00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:31,990 think we know a little bit about its 1243 00:55:37,860 --> 00:55:34,240 origins and I can't remember the details 1244 00:55:40,980 --> 00:55:37,870 right now but very little information 1245 00:55:43,620 --> 00:55:40,990 about what the government took an 1246 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:43,630 interest in has been released well 1247 00:55:48,570 --> 00:55:46,330 interesting all right so we are ready to 1248 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:48,580 go to break of this is Martin Willis my 1249 00:55:54,510 --> 00:55:52,090 guest is Alejandro Rojas we are in kgr a 1250 00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:54,520 radio and YouTube and we'll be right 1251 00:56:00,810 --> 00:55:58,740 back right after these messages clear 1252 00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:00,820 alright how much time we have this time 1253 00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,190 three minutes alright three minutes 1254 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:05,440 Alejandro so I have I have some 1255 00:56:11,550 --> 00:56:09,130 questions or I have a question actually 1256 00:56:14,070 --> 00:56:11,560 Kerry wrote this question here has a 1257 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:14,080 journalist do you think that mainstream 1258 00:56:19,140 --> 00:56:16,210 media and corporations like NASA are 1259 00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:19,150 controlled by a higher authority on what 1260 00:56:27,330 --> 00:56:22,480 output is out to the gets out to the 1261 00:56:30,930 --> 00:56:27,340 public not at all I used to think that 1262 00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:30,940 perhaps there was some at some level but 1263 00:56:37,830 --> 00:56:33,910 this has been a real interest of mine so 1264 00:56:40,830 --> 00:56:37,840 when I interviewed journalists and and 1265 00:56:42,660 --> 00:56:40,840 people in the media or have been 1266 00:56:44,550 --> 00:56:42,670 involved and I have been especially 1267 00:56:46,070 --> 00:56:44,560 lately involved with a lot of NASA 1268 00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:46,080 stories I've been to a lot of facilities 1269 00:56:51,210 --> 00:56:48,790 I've interviewed several astronauts in 1270 00:56:52,830 --> 00:56:51,220 fact I just released a an article with 1271 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:52,840 an interview with an astronaut just this 1272 00:56:59,799 --> 00:56:55,410 last week and I haven't found 1273 00:57:02,750 --> 00:56:59,809 any of that what I found is actually 1274 00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:02,760 makes me more frustrated about the 1275 00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,280 conspiracies because what I find when it 1276 00:57:11,930 --> 00:57:07,440 comes to journalists and especially with 1277 00:57:15,250 --> 00:57:11,940 NASA is that you have very people who 1278 00:57:18,980 --> 00:57:15,260 for the most part have very altruistic 1279 00:57:20,809 --> 00:57:18,990 intentions about what they do most 1280 00:57:23,059 --> 00:57:20,819 journalists because it's not easy and it 1281 00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,069 doesn't always pay a lot of money most 1282 00:57:29,809 --> 00:57:25,200 journalists are passionate about getting 1283 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:29,819 information out and most do their best 1284 00:57:34,220 --> 00:57:32,490 to get that information out in an 1285 00:57:36,980 --> 00:57:34,230 unbiased manner and they certainly 1286 00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:36,990 because your job and your access to 1287 00:57:42,380 --> 00:57:39,660 information it's dependent upon it 1288 00:57:45,650 --> 00:57:42,390 getting it out accurately because it's 1289 00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:45,660 it's hard for someone to get punished 1290 00:57:51,319 --> 00:57:49,049 for for putting out accurate information 1291 00:57:53,029 --> 00:57:51,329 it's the opposite that can really get 1292 00:57:55,359 --> 00:57:53,039 you in trouble because all of your 1293 00:58:01,490 --> 00:57:55,369 competitors are keeping an eye on you 1294 00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:01,500 with NASA these people have their major 1295 00:58:10,490 --> 00:58:07,680 concern is the public dollar and safety 1296 00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:10,500 and taking care of those astronauts and 1297 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:13,529 getting them there and back again in a 1298 00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:16,170 safe manner and when it comes to 1299 00:58:23,630 --> 00:58:20,640 unmanned missions to make sure that that 1300 00:58:25,849 --> 00:58:23,640 public dollar is not misspent that that 1301 00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:25,859 you know 10 million dollar instrument 1302 00:58:32,539 --> 00:58:29,910 they're sending into space is is they 1303 00:58:35,269 --> 00:58:32,549 people get their money's worth and I 1304 00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:35,279 think anybody who would visit a facility 1305 00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:36,690 and talk with these individuals would 1306 00:58:41,630 --> 00:58:39,420 feel that way and you can't really get 1307 00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:41,640 as much a sense of that unless you go 1308 00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:43,380 visit these places and talk with these 1309 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:45,660 people and a lot of NASA facilities you 1310 00:58:54,529 --> 00:58:48,450 can go and visit these people and talk 1311 00:58:57,740 --> 00:58:54,539 with them I am a huge fan of NASA 1312 00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:57,750 personnel and of journalists and every 1313 00:59:01,760 --> 00:58:59,160 journalist I've talked to for instance 1314 00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:01,770 Lee Spiegel Lee Spiegel worked for the 1315 00:59:06,890 --> 00:59:04,319 huffington post he wrote whatever UFO 1316 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:06,900 story he wanted sometimes they would 1317 00:59:10,660 --> 00:59:08,450 argue over headline 1318 00:59:12,790 --> 00:59:10,670 and I got to write I got to write in UFO 1319 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:12,800 story oh sorry sorry we gotta help out 1320 00:59:20,050 --> 00:59:17,450 sorry are we gonna like three two one go 1321 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:20,060 alright welcome back everyone this is 1322 00:59:26,290 --> 00:59:22,250 Martin Willis with podcast UFO my guest 1323 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:26,300 is Alejandro Rojas and he was just in 1324 00:59:29,710 --> 00:59:27,770 the middle of something during break and 1325 00:59:31,770 --> 00:59:29,720 well I don't know if you want to 1326 00:59:34,660 --> 00:59:31,780 continue that or kind of ease the 1327 00:59:35,860 --> 00:59:34,670 listening audience into that or if you 1328 00:59:38,350 --> 00:59:35,870 want to move on to something else 1329 00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,360 what's best for you Alejandro I don't 1330 00:59:41,770 --> 00:59:39,920 know it's up to you I guess just show 1331 00:59:43,570 --> 00:59:41,780 what do you think is interesting well 1332 00:59:45,940 --> 00:59:43,580 it's all interesting I think you were 1333 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:45,950 kind of capping kind of capping that 1334 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:48,650 yeah I guess I was just talking about in 1335 00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:52,610 this case especially what I was 1336 00:59:58,780 --> 00:59:55,340 finishing off was a journalism do I feel 1337 01:00:01,540 --> 00:59:58,790 that journalism is manipulated by that 1338 01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,550 you know the powers that be and from my 1339 01:00:05,830 --> 01:00:03,520 experience and from my experience 1340 01:00:07,630 --> 01:00:05,840 interviewing other people in journalism 1341 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:07,640 in the media that has not been the case 1342 01:00:12,580 --> 01:00:09,770 I've interviewed movie makers I've 1343 01:00:16,290 --> 01:00:12,590 interviewed investigative journalists 1344 01:00:19,570 --> 01:00:16,300 not only george knapp but there's like 1345 01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:19,580 lease be go Leslie Kane but there's 1346 01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:22,310 others in the mainstream and for the 1347 01:00:26,620 --> 01:00:25,130 most part there is a lot of freedom that 1348 01:00:29,170 --> 01:00:26,630 you know especially in today's world 1349 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:29,180 where a lot of journalism is freelance 1350 01:00:35,500 --> 01:00:31,850 you go find your story and you write 1351 01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:35,510 your story and my experience with with 1352 01:00:41,980 --> 01:00:38,480 having to impose for example even with 1353 01:00:45,580 --> 01:00:41,990 Lee we were never denied to writing a 1354 01:00:48,460 --> 01:00:45,590 story about UFOs or aliens 1355 01:00:50,770 --> 01:00:48,470 especially as long as we you know were 1356 01:00:53,740 --> 01:00:50,780 credible and we had a reputation to 1357 01:00:56,140 --> 01:00:53,750 uphold and a reputation that the 1358 01:00:59,020 --> 01:00:56,150 information was solid because it would 1359 01:01:02,170 --> 01:00:59,030 be checked I even wrote about Colonel 1360 01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:02,180 halt who was the highest ranking officer 1361 01:01:07,900 --> 01:01:05,090 at Rendlesham forest in 1980 when they 1362 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:07,910 all saw a UFO and Colonel halt had told 1363 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:10,970 me he believed that his men might have 1364 01:01:18,670 --> 01:01:16,610 been drugged by you know other agents in 1365 01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:18,680 the Air Force that he was not aware of 1366 01:01:22,330 --> 01:01:20,720 that they could have come on base 1367 01:01:25,330 --> 01:01:22,340 debrief some of his 1368 01:01:27,940 --> 01:01:25,340 guys even used like sodium pentathol and 1369 01:01:30,460 --> 01:01:27,950 then laughed and he would not have been 1370 01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:30,470 aware it made aware and he believed that 1371 01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:33,950 did occur so that's some pretty hot 1372 01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:36,530 stuff in fact what's funny about that is 1373 01:01:41,290 --> 01:01:38,210 we tried to write a press release on 1374 01:01:43,930 --> 01:01:41,300 this about a kernel Hulk coming to a UFO 1375 01:01:46,450 --> 01:01:43,940 Congress to talk about this and the 1376 01:01:47,830 --> 01:01:46,460 press release company wouldn't release 1377 01:01:50,770 --> 01:01:47,840 the press release because they thought 1378 01:01:53,230 --> 01:01:50,780 whoa this is too much they didn't listen 1379 01:01:56,580 --> 01:01:53,240 to my sources because I had him on 1380 01:01:59,980 --> 01:01:56,590 record you know on tape saying this but 1381 01:02:00,940 --> 01:01:59,990 no media outlet had denied that 1382 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:00,950 information 1383 01:02:06,460 --> 01:02:04,970 so at surprisingly you know it has not 1384 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:06,470 been my experience and I would ask 1385 01:02:11,050 --> 01:02:09,170 anybody to go talk to a journalist 1386 01:02:13,540 --> 01:02:11,060 especially at these conferences where 1387 01:02:17,290 --> 01:02:13,550 you have like Bryce Zabel who worked on 1388 01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:17,300 the TV show dark skies he created it and 1389 01:02:21,820 --> 01:02:18,890 some of these others those are the type 1390 01:02:23,860 --> 01:02:21,830 of shows that we would assume would have 1391 01:02:25,660 --> 01:02:23,870 some sort of manipulation now he does 1392 01:02:28,830 --> 01:02:25,670 have a couple interesting stories where 1393 01:02:31,210 --> 01:02:28,840 you know maybe somebody tried to kind of 1394 01:02:33,790 --> 01:02:31,220 frighten him and he doesn't know where 1395 01:02:35,590 --> 01:02:33,800 these people came from so there are some 1396 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:35,600 interesting stories out there like that 1397 01:02:40,180 --> 01:02:37,970 but nothing from like an editor or 1398 01:02:41,950 --> 01:02:40,190 manager or a producer saying hey you 1399 01:02:43,020 --> 01:02:41,960 can't do that don't talk about that 1400 01:02:45,700 --> 01:02:43,030 nothing like that 1401 01:02:47,860 --> 01:02:45,710 interesting we have someone in the 1402 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:47,870 chatroom just asked a question wondering 1403 01:02:52,270 --> 01:02:50,690 have you yourself the guy's name is 1404 01:02:56,310 --> 01:02:52,280 plower I think it is have you yourself 1405 01:03:05,280 --> 01:02:56,320 had any type of paranormal experience 1406 01:03:10,510 --> 01:03:09,130 but that's about all I feel like I'm 1407 01:03:12,820 --> 01:03:10,520 forgetting something I think for 1408 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:12,830 instance I used I I thought you told me 1409 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:15,770 about I may be confusing you with 1410 01:03:21,730 --> 01:03:18,530 someone else but a shadow person or 1411 01:03:23,020 --> 01:03:21,740 something something strange a hotel I am 1412 01:03:24,820 --> 01:03:23,030 cañada that wasn't me 1413 01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:24,830 yeah but because I've done a lot of 1414 01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:26,810 ghost hunting and I used you know at 1415 01:03:30,490 --> 01:03:28,850 first you go and you're kind of freaked 1416 01:03:31,690 --> 01:03:30,500 out and you're like oh my gosh it's just 1417 01:03:34,030 --> 01:03:31,700 gonna be so fun we're gonna get 1418 01:03:35,630 --> 01:03:34,040 something cool but the more and more you 1419 01:03:38,030 --> 01:03:35,640 died I did it 1420 01:03:39,710 --> 01:03:38,040 it was like I wanted an experience and I 1421 01:03:41,570 --> 01:03:39,720 was no longer frightened and my cousin 1422 01:03:44,180 --> 01:03:41,580 used to tease me because we would go to 1423 01:03:46,580 --> 01:03:44,190 a haunted place and I would want to know 1424 01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:46,590 or where's the most activity and I would 1425 01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:48,210 go shooting off towards there where 1426 01:03:52,460 --> 01:03:50,640 everybody like ooh and there but that's 1427 01:03:55,940 --> 01:03:52,470 exactly where I wanted to because I 1428 01:03:57,890 --> 01:03:55,950 wanted to have an experience but I 1429 01:04:00,050 --> 01:03:57,900 didn't that doesn't to me mean nothing 1430 01:04:02,090 --> 01:04:00,060 it doesn't exist it just means for 1431 01:04:04,340 --> 01:04:02,100 whatever reason I didn't for instance 1432 01:04:06,830 --> 01:04:04,350 you know people talk about skinwalker 1433 01:04:09,500 --> 01:04:06,840 ranch and George Knapp had talked about 1434 01:04:11,780 --> 01:04:09,510 how they put him in the scariest 1435 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:11,790 location and did all this stuff that 1436 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:14,250 usually brings in phenomena because they 1437 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:16,290 were hoping to capture something and 1438 01:04:23,420 --> 01:04:19,530 nothing happened and the way George or 1439 01:04:25,490 --> 01:04:23,430 John Alexander retired Army Colonel who 1440 01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:25,500 was involved in that investigation puts 1441 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:27,510 it his hat you know over a period of 1442 01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:29,970 time let's say three years even if you 1443 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:33,690 have you know dozens of experiences two 1444 01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:35,250 dozen different experiences that have 1445 01:04:38,990 --> 01:04:35,850 happened 1446 01:04:41,780 --> 01:04:39,000 that's only 24 days over a span of maybe 1447 01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,790 six hundred days so right the odds of 1448 01:04:46,340 --> 01:04:43,680 you any day coming and having an 1449 01:04:48,590 --> 01:04:46,350 experience are is pretty pretty small 1450 01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,600 it's just basically the same thing as 1451 01:04:53,390 --> 01:04:50,640 UFO sightings I mean yeah they're so 1452 01:04:54,890 --> 01:04:53,400 elusive yeah and how do you have 1453 01:04:57,860 --> 01:04:54,900 sightings people asked how do I have 1454 01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:57,870 sightings my answer is always go outside 1455 01:05:03,530 --> 01:05:00,960 and spend time sky watching and that's 1456 01:05:05,780 --> 01:05:03,540 why I think eventually I was a UFO 1457 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:05,790 investigator with MUFON for five or six 1458 01:05:13,100 --> 01:05:08,370 years before I had my first what I felt 1459 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:13,110 was a UFO sighting and I have spent a 1460 01:05:18,620 --> 01:05:17,010 lot of time watching the night sky in 1461 01:05:21,470 --> 01:05:18,630 fact Bill was just talking about how 1462 01:05:24,650 --> 01:05:21,480 Mark Dantonio was in town to MUFON photo 1463 01:05:26,750 --> 01:05:24,660 and video expert and we were doing a lot 1464 01:05:28,310 --> 01:05:26,760 of Astro photography out there taking 1465 01:05:30,380 --> 01:05:28,320 pictures of the skies while we're out 1466 01:05:33,770 --> 01:05:30,390 there doing sky watches so it's a lot of 1467 01:05:36,020 --> 01:05:33,780 time out there watching the sky you see 1468 01:05:39,050 --> 01:05:36,030 satellites you see rockets you learning 1469 01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:39,060 so much and once in a great great great 1470 01:05:44,570 --> 01:05:41,280 while maybe you'll see something really 1471 01:05:46,450 --> 01:05:44,580 odd that just defies explanation now 1472 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:46,460 didn't you write an article about 1473 01:05:51,710 --> 01:05:49,530 astronomers in UFOs 1474 01:05:53,450 --> 01:05:51,720 I do have an article about that and 1475 01:05:56,180 --> 01:05:53,460 that's going to be one of my talks at 1476 01:05:57,740 --> 01:05:56,190 the alien Con which is just this weekend 1477 01:06:01,280 --> 01:05:57,750 we had it out there in a couple days 1478 01:06:04,250 --> 01:06:01,290 right and I love this article because or 1479 01:06:07,940 --> 01:06:04,260 this this lecture be it it really 1480 01:06:09,860 --> 01:06:07,950 justifies it shows I chefs estas 1481 01:06:12,020 --> 01:06:09,870 tackiness and I even kind of use his own 1482 01:06:14,300 --> 01:06:12,030 words against him I watch as I love and 1483 01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:14,310 I love Seth and that's why I like using 1484 01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:16,050 a minute he has a lot of great things to 1485 01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:18,720 say but he's terrible when it comes to 1486 01:06:24,410 --> 01:06:20,910 UFOs you've talked to him before you've 1487 01:06:26,210 --> 01:06:24,420 had him on the show and he doesn't 1488 01:06:29,660 --> 01:06:26,220 really do with due diligence into 1489 01:06:33,350 --> 01:06:29,670 looking into it and and he just doesn't 1490 01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:33,360 put any credence in UFO sightings and 1491 01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:35,760 when I met him I told him you know I 1492 01:06:39,410 --> 01:06:37,770 asked him about credible sightings and 1493 01:06:42,590 --> 01:06:39,420 stuff and he wouldn't really talk about 1494 01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:42,600 individual cases he just said if UFOs if 1495 01:06:47,090 --> 01:06:43,740 there's something out there astronomers 1496 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:47,100 would be into it and I was like there 1497 01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:49,770 are astronomers out there and that was 1498 01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:51,650 about the end of our common from 1499 01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:54,690 conversation but I was like I'm gonna 1500 01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:56,160 make sure I'm prepared to answer that 1501 01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:57,810 question and if that comes up again and 1502 01:07:04,100 --> 01:06:59,760 if I get a talk to them so I did a 1503 01:07:05,740 --> 01:07:04,110 lecture not only have they are has it 1504 01:07:08,330 --> 01:07:05,750 been shown and there's been studies that 1505 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:08,340 astronomers are just as fascinated they 1506 01:07:13,790 --> 01:07:10,290 have just as many sightings as anyone 1507 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:13,800 else but also they're the ones who 1508 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:16,410 started all of this the grandfather of 1509 01:07:22,420 --> 01:07:20,370 modern ufology is dr. J Allen Hynek an 1510 01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:22,430 astronomer who worked for the Air Force 1511 01:07:26,780 --> 01:07:24,000 investigating he thought they were 1512 01:07:29,530 --> 01:07:26,790 ridiculous but then he became to see wow 1513 01:07:33,260 --> 01:07:29,540 there's a lot of credible sightings in 1514 01:07:35,570 --> 01:07:33,270 1952 rappelled he wrote a book about 1515 01:07:40,340 --> 01:07:35,580 this Colonel rappel who was in charge of 1516 01:07:43,310 --> 01:07:40,350 Project Blue Book he he was tasked at 1517 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:43,320 the end of project grudge at prior to 1518 01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:45,930 Project Blue Book the UFO study to go 1519 01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:47,970 see what's going on with this UFO stuff 1520 01:07:52,370 --> 01:07:50,160 and they were kind of trying to get out 1521 01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,380 of the UFO business but a bunch of 1522 01:07:57,230 --> 01:07:54,720 things happen including Washington 1952 1523 01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:57,240 siding but also this life magazine 1524 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:00,000 article and in this article a couple of 1525 01:08:03,259 --> 01:08:02,730 the most famous astronomers at the time 1526 01:08:05,059 --> 01:08:03,269 taught the 1527 01:08:07,429 --> 01:08:05,069 about their UFO sightings and how they 1528 01:08:09,979 --> 01:08:07,439 believe that we are being visited and 1529 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:09,989 that essentially was responsible for 1530 01:08:15,979 --> 01:08:12,890 project Bluebook starting up and that 1531 01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:15,989 this had created so much public interest 1532 01:08:20,569 --> 01:08:18,210 we have peter Sturrock who's written a 1533 01:08:23,660 --> 01:08:20,579 book and he interviewed a bunch of 1534 01:08:26,809 --> 01:08:23,670 astronomers so we have a whole history 1535 01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:26,819 here and more recently we have stories 1536 01:08:33,649 --> 01:08:30,089 like Jordan talked about project or that 1537 01:08:35,899 --> 01:08:33,659 this o mu a mu a-- object that it's the 1538 01:08:38,410 --> 01:08:35,909 first interstellar object to come into 1539 01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:38,420 our solar system and then leave and 1540 01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:40,710 there's a lot of mysterious things about 1541 01:08:45,410 --> 01:08:43,440 it moves very strangely they think this 1542 01:08:49,579 --> 01:08:45,420 is probably because of radiation from 1543 01:08:51,709 --> 01:08:49,589 the sun but in this recent Harvard study 1544 01:08:54,559 --> 01:08:51,719 that people are writing a lot about in 1545 01:08:56,509 --> 01:08:54,569 the last couple days and that is 1546 01:09:00,769 --> 01:08:56,519 actually getting published in a science 1547 01:09:03,649 --> 01:09:00,779 journal on the 16th they say that if 1548 01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:03,659 that's true the material that this thing 1549 01:09:07,490 --> 01:09:05,849 is made of is something that we do not 1550 01:09:08,089 --> 01:09:07,500 understand because it doesn't move the 1551 01:09:10,339 --> 01:09:08,099 way it should 1552 01:09:12,529 --> 01:09:10,349 so this MIT whatever it's made out of is 1553 01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:12,539 really weird and then he goes on to 1554 01:09:18,349 --> 01:09:15,359 speculate that perhaps it was sent here 1555 01:09:21,140 --> 01:09:18,359 by aliens perhaps it's a solar sail 1556 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:21,150 being pushed by you know the heat of the 1557 01:09:25,249 --> 01:09:23,130 Sun to come in and kind of check out all 1558 01:09:27,470 --> 01:09:25,259 these different solar systems and so 1559 01:09:29,629 --> 01:09:27,480 what's interesting about that and we 1560 01:09:32,959 --> 01:09:29,639 have other instances of this more 1561 01:09:35,689 --> 01:09:32,969 recently is the astronomers themselves 1562 01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:35,699 are going to the alien answer you know 1563 01:09:39,859 --> 01:09:37,769 they're their pool in the giorgio toots 1564 01:09:43,059 --> 01:09:39,869 of glows and they're saying this might 1565 01:09:46,549 --> 01:09:43,069 be aliens and you know what it might be 1566 01:09:48,349 --> 01:09:46,559 one a sad part with o mu a mu is it's 1567 01:09:50,899 --> 01:09:48,359 now gone too far away there's no way 1568 01:09:52,749 --> 01:09:50,909 even if we wanted to go out there and 1569 01:09:55,009 --> 01:09:52,759 check it out to see what it's made of 1570 01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:55,019 there's no way we'll be able to catch it 1571 01:09:59,600 --> 01:09:57,000 we just don't have a craft that can get 1572 01:10:02,629 --> 01:09:59,610 to it and get back so we may never find 1573 01:10:03,859 --> 01:10:02,639 out what's up with that but did they 1574 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:03,869 have any you know how a lot of times 1575 01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:05,610 they can project when something is going 1576 01:10:11,870 --> 01:10:07,679 to cycle through if this is actually 1577 01:10:13,810 --> 01:10:11,880 going you know out of the solar system 1578 01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:13,820 there's probably no way at all they can 1579 01:10:20,750 --> 01:10:16,890 understand any type of cycle with 1580 01:10:23,690 --> 01:10:20,760 exactly they it came in they were able 1581 01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:23,700 through you know scientific or 1582 01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:25,710 mathematical equations kind of figure 1583 01:10:31,130 --> 01:10:28,530 out the general area and three solar 1584 01:10:33,710 --> 01:10:31,140 systems that might have come from which 1585 01:10:36,650 --> 01:10:33,720 are very very far away and then the Sun 1586 01:10:39,230 --> 01:10:36,660 did pull it around and then it flew back 1587 01:10:43,070 --> 01:10:39,240 out in another direction but now it's 1588 01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:43,080 headed straight away from us there's no 1589 01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:45,440 indication that it'll ever be back and 1590 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:48,210 even if it was it would we're gonna be 1591 01:10:56,300 --> 01:10:52,890 long gone at least you and I so maybe 1592 01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:56,310 the whole planet so yeah so it's just 1593 01:11:02,060 --> 01:10:58,800 come and gone and that is really 1594 01:11:04,190 --> 01:11:02,070 fascinating we have the lines open if 1595 01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:04,200 anyone wants to call in a lot of times 1596 01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:05,880 people have told me they would love to 1597 01:11:10,010 --> 01:11:08,250 ask alejandro question now's your chance 1598 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:10,020 that number is up on the screen on 1599 01:11:17,660 --> 01:11:16,050 YouTube is 603 967 400 300 that phone 1600 01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:17,670 number is only live during the shows 1601 01:11:25,210 --> 01:11:20,880 only so people call have you ever had 1602 01:11:31,850 --> 01:11:29,300 pepsi-cola whatever this and doing that 1603 01:11:34,510 --> 01:11:31,860 I think so another question that came in 1604 01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:34,520 now in a hypothetical scenario were a 1605 01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:37,140 respected scientist had an abduction 1606 01:11:45,980 --> 01:11:42,930 experience that Travis what as science 1607 01:11:48,830 --> 01:11:45,990 had the abduction experience of Travis 1608 01:11:51,620 --> 01:11:48,840 Walton and dirt how much of an influence 1609 01:11:54,140 --> 01:11:51,630 would you think this would have within 1610 01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:54,150 the scientific community on a serious 1611 01:11:59,000 --> 01:11:56,310 study of the subject in other words if a 1612 01:12:02,240 --> 01:11:59,010 scientist himself had a Travis Walton 1613 01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:02,250 type of an experience that really has to 1614 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:04,410 do with the personality of the person 1615 01:12:13,130 --> 01:12:07,010 basically I think that's a great 1616 01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:13,140 question and it could even speak to who 1617 01:12:20,150 --> 01:12:17,450 is having experiences and Travis Walton 1618 01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:20,160 printed into someone he lives out in 1619 01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:24,090 Arizona you know he's become friends but 1620 01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:26,850 you know I always take a skeptical look 1621 01:12:30,620 --> 01:12:29,730 at everything but I've talked with and 1622 01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:30,630 and 1623 01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,650 interviewed I think pretty much more of 1624 01:12:37,850 --> 01:12:36,239 the witnesses and any journalist has 1625 01:12:40,250 --> 01:12:37,860 because we've talked to the first police 1626 01:12:43,819 --> 01:12:40,260 officer I've talked to and it's also 1627 01:12:46,129 --> 01:12:43,829 partially you know Karen she worked on 1628 01:12:48,050 --> 01:12:46,139 Travis's last conference and she found 1629 01:12:49,870 --> 01:12:48,060 witnesses that hadn't spoken before and 1630 01:12:53,330 --> 01:12:49,880 they came out to the conference they 1631 01:13:02,089 --> 01:12:53,340 then came to the conference are the 1632 01:13:09,500 --> 01:13:02,099 offal Congress his everyone a full of 1633 01:13:11,899 --> 01:13:09,510 joke it's freezing up her land yeah it 1634 01:13:15,050 --> 01:13:11,909 froze again we have a caller on the line 1635 01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:15,060 can you hear me call her here come here 1636 01:13:20,180 --> 01:13:18,719 okay sorry alejandro froze up I don't 1637 01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,190 know what is going on this the second 1638 01:13:26,089 --> 01:13:22,800 time this has happened so we can talk 1639 01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:26,099 for a minute until he comes back 1640 01:13:33,050 --> 01:13:28,800 so you hit did you have a question 1641 01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:33,060 specifically for him or in general it's 1642 01:13:35,870 --> 01:13:34,770 a it's a question I'm just all-around 1643 01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,880 for both of you 1644 01:13:40,580 --> 01:13:37,679 all right well I'll take it until we get 1645 01:13:42,379 --> 01:13:40,590 him back on all right I'm Matt from 1646 01:13:45,370 --> 01:13:42,389 South Carolina but I meant to ask you 1647 01:13:48,020 --> 01:13:45,380 I'm sorry that welcome to the show and 1648 01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:48,030 and thank you thanks for thanks for the 1649 01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:52,860 call go ahead what what if you were an 1650 01:13:58,220 --> 01:13:55,050 Alejandro's take on Corey Goode and 1651 01:14:02,510 --> 01:13:58,230 David Wilcock and they're some of those 1652 01:14:04,819 --> 01:14:02,520 accusations and Corey good I think he 1653 01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:04,829 copyrighted the the term secret space 1654 01:14:09,740 --> 01:14:07,380 program or something like that right 1655 01:14:11,629 --> 01:14:09,750 yeah you know I hear a lot of 1656 01:14:15,109 --> 01:14:11,639 controversy I just don't know enough 1657 01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:15,119 about it I'm not I'm not following you 1658 01:14:20,930 --> 01:14:17,449 know basically his circle in particular 1659 01:14:22,129 --> 01:14:20,940 so I I don't really you know Alejandra 1660 01:14:25,459 --> 01:14:22,139 would probably have some more feedback 1661 01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:25,469 on that you know the secret space 1662 01:14:29,629 --> 01:14:28,290 program I'm not really sure kind of on 1663 01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:29,639 the fence about that one in particular 1664 01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:34,530 myself but what are your thoughts on it 1665 01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:36,000 seems like it's something you're looking 1666 01:14:40,930 --> 01:14:39,420 into I just think it's all a little 1667 01:14:43,900 --> 01:14:40,940 Fugazi 1668 01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:43,910 like Corey goodness not I think all 1669 01:14:48,190 --> 01:14:46,610 the blue avians Fabian's or something a 1670 01:14:50,500 --> 01:14:48,200 being people are with avian people 1671 01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:50,510 something like that it's just it's just 1672 01:14:55,180 --> 01:14:52,610 all a little too Fugazi for me I think 1673 01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:55,190 it's you know more instead of being down 1674 01:14:59,440 --> 01:14:57,290 for the truth and you know kind of 1675 01:15:01,740 --> 01:14:59,450 expose the truth there you know down for 1676 01:15:04,570 --> 01:15:01,750 more look like a cult following you know 1677 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:04,580 uh it you know it does work it 1678 01:15:11,950 --> 01:15:08,570 definitely does work for some people the 1679 01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:11,960 end they do have an amazing following 1680 01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:15,440 and somehow it made there may be some 1681 01:15:22,750 --> 01:15:17,810 financial benefits to it I don't know 1682 01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:22,760 how that works but I'm sorry I didn't 1683 01:15:27,730 --> 01:15:25,370 mean to I know they're on another you 1684 01:15:29,710 --> 01:15:27,740 know and pretty tight with the the fade 1685 01:15:32,170 --> 01:15:29,720 to black Jamie Kurtz crowd and you know 1686 01:15:34,690 --> 01:15:32,180 all that type of stuff it's funny I saw 1687 01:15:36,430 --> 01:15:34,700 a posting about that I guess he's been 1688 01:15:40,750 --> 01:15:36,440 on there seven times or something like 1689 01:15:43,060 --> 01:15:40,760 that so yeah yeah so that there is 1690 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:43,070 something to that you know I mean you 1691 01:15:48,460 --> 01:15:45,650 know it's it's maybe for that particular 1692 01:15:51,190 --> 01:15:48,470 reason there's a lot of listeners you 1693 01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:51,200 know for instance I know if you know 1694 01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:52,880 Stephen gray or certain people like that 1695 01:15:59,140 --> 01:15:57,050 or on some type of show on YouTube it 1696 01:16:03,160 --> 01:15:59,150 gets a lot of views there's a lot of 1697 01:16:06,370 --> 01:16:03,170 action so mmm-hmm I'm sure yeah in my 1698 01:16:10,750 --> 01:16:06,380 opinion I'm so I go ahead no no go ahead 1699 01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:10,760 I'm in a my in my opinion the best the 1700 01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:12,410 best researcher out there right now is 1701 01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:18,410 Richard Dolan he's top notch yeah yeah I 1702 01:16:24,460 --> 01:16:21,890 had Richard on a while ago out it seems 1703 01:16:25,930 --> 01:16:24,470 to know someone just broke me and said I 1704 01:16:29,980 --> 01:16:25,940 haven't been actually been following him 1705 01:16:34,090 --> 01:16:29,990 but that he has branched out into other 1706 01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:34,100 things is that are you aware of that um 1707 01:16:38,380 --> 01:16:35,810 I watched his live stream you know 1708 01:16:40,660 --> 01:16:38,390 whenever whenever I get the the the 1709 01:16:42,490 --> 01:16:40,670 message for it I'm not I'm not too 1710 01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:42,500 familiar what else he's branch the 1711 01:16:48,340 --> 01:16:44,450 audience is um everything I was is 1712 01:16:52,450 --> 01:16:48,350 filled you know UFO UFO related I see 1713 01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:52,460 now I know you know I I consider him you 1714 01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:54,170 know he's very intelligent he's really a 1715 01:17:02,050 --> 01:16:57,410 good speaker I've met him a few times 1716 01:17:04,060 --> 01:17:02,060 and he was on my show one time and it 1717 01:17:07,230 --> 01:17:04,070 does you know there a lot of he does 1718 01:17:10,180 --> 01:17:07,240 have a very strong following he also is 1719 01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:10,190 interested in you know producing books 1720 01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:13,370 to write he has a he is a publishing 1721 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:16,370 company of some kind yes sir yes 1722 01:17:23,890 --> 01:17:19,250 interesting yeah I'm big fan of Richard 1723 01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:23,900 Dolan um Peter I have in DES he's pretty 1724 01:17:29,380 --> 01:17:24,770 good 1725 01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:29,390 the the careers the I'm not too big a 1726 01:17:33,970 --> 01:17:32,480 fan of Greer the John leaders you have 1727 01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:33,980 to take what he says with a grain of 1728 01:17:38,590 --> 01:17:36,560 salt I think I think half of what he 1729 01:17:42,940 --> 01:17:38,600 says is truthful or the other half is 1730 01:17:44,530 --> 01:17:42,950 just filler you know but yeah there's 1731 01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:44,540 there's definitely some characters in 1732 01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:46,970 the in the UFO in the US policy 1733 01:17:53,620 --> 01:17:51,410 department yeah you know it is there's 1734 01:17:57,130 --> 01:17:53,630 just you know realistically there's just 1735 01:17:59,140 --> 01:17:57,140 a very small portion of the public that 1736 01:18:02,680 --> 01:17:59,150 has an interest in this this is just a 1737 01:18:04,060 --> 01:18:02,690 little tiny tiny fragment of of the 1738 01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:04,070 public that has an interest in this 1739 01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:08,510 which I think I do get that but if you 1740 01:18:13,330 --> 01:18:11,090 know if the discovery is that there is 1741 01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:13,340 other intelligent life out there I think 1742 01:18:19,810 --> 01:18:17,450 I think there would be well I personally 1743 01:18:23,470 --> 01:18:19,820 think it's would be the most amazing 1744 01:18:25,180 --> 01:18:23,480 thing of our lifetime but yeah I just 1745 01:18:26,860 --> 01:18:25,190 think a lot more people would get 1746 01:18:30,010 --> 01:18:26,870 involved in it I think they actually 1747 01:18:32,770 --> 01:18:30,020 thought there was something to it yeah I 1748 01:18:34,420 --> 01:18:32,780 would just love before his before his 1749 01:18:36,670 --> 01:18:34,430 time ends I would love for Buzz Aldrin 1750 01:18:38,380 --> 01:18:36,680 to come clean and let us know what what 1751 01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:38,390 the hell really went on on the moon I 1752 01:18:42,910 --> 01:18:40,370 would love that that would be I mean 1753 01:18:46,660 --> 01:18:42,920 he'll II would have anything I think 1754 01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:46,670 buzzes buzzes I know I don't know for 1755 01:18:50,770 --> 01:18:48,050 sure and I don't want to starting rumors 1756 01:18:54,010 --> 01:18:50,780 but I understand his health is not so 1757 01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:54,020 good and I I don't know really much more 1758 01:18:57,790 --> 01:18:55,850 about it but I just had heard a few 1759 01:18:59,020 --> 01:18:57,800 people have told me that but I don't 1760 01:19:00,640 --> 01:18:59,030 have any first-hand 1761 01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:00,650 you know comment so that hopefully he's 1762 01:19:07,660 --> 01:19:04,010 doing okay yeah I would love for him to 1763 01:19:09,970 --> 01:19:07,670 come clean or George Bush Senior I would 1764 01:19:11,050 --> 01:19:09,980 like I mean his days you know are you 1765 01:19:15,490 --> 01:19:11,060 know 1766 01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:15,500 left probably and him being head of the 1767 01:19:19,780 --> 01:19:17,570 you know the CIA and a former president 1768 01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:19,790 he you've got to know what's going on 1769 01:19:23,020 --> 01:19:21,530 I would I would love for one of those 1770 01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:23,030 two to come clean let us know what's 1771 01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:25,490 really happened hang on just a minute 1772 01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:28,610 hang on Matt just one second here caller 1773 01:19:35,530 --> 01:19:29,840 is that would that happen to be 1774 01:19:38,770 --> 01:19:35,540 alejandro come on we have it no it's not 1775 01:19:40,710 --> 01:19:38,780 alejandro okay no well you drop again oh 1776 01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:40,720 yeah I've been trying to get it back on 1777 01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:43,730 so uh Matt I'll say goodbye to you and 1778 01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:45,890 I'll take this call and hopefully I'm 1779 01:19:49,300 --> 01:19:47,330 going to try to get to all 100 actually 1780 01:19:51,190 --> 01:19:49,310 call the number here and get them on the 1781 01:19:53,950 --> 01:19:51,200 phone at least but Matt thanks so much 1782 01:19:55,090 --> 01:19:53,960 for their long I don't love this job 1783 01:19:57,670 --> 01:19:55,100 barber all right take care 1784 01:20:01,240 --> 01:19:57,680 so new caller what's your name and where 1785 01:20:03,580 --> 01:20:01,250 you calling from my name is Jay and I'm 1786 01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:03,590 calling from Oklahoma hi Jay welcome to 1787 01:20:10,330 --> 01:20:06,170 the show and I'd like to tell everyone I 1788 01:20:14,110 --> 01:20:10,340 am no longer a believer yeah ken UFOs I 1789 01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:14,120 am now no i-i've been transformed into a 1790 01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:18,080 knower oh wow I've had an experience 1791 01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:20,330 actually laughter I was hoping Alejandro 1792 01:20:23,980 --> 01:20:22,130 would be on the line because it was I 1793 01:20:25,420 --> 01:20:23,990 was in his neck of the woods I was 1794 01:20:28,420 --> 01:20:25,430 living out in Scottsdale and North 1795 01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:28,430 Scottsdale Arizona which is fairly we 1796 01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:31,130 have some pretty good night skies and I 1797 01:20:34,810 --> 01:20:32,770 kind of wanted to get a little bit 1798 01:20:36,940 --> 01:20:34,820 different a little bit different angle 1799 01:20:37,930 --> 01:20:36,950 before I tell you my entire story it was 1800 01:20:39,490 --> 01:20:37,940 kind of interesting we were eating 1801 01:20:43,150 --> 01:20:39,500 dinner outside cuz you know Arizona is 1802 01:20:45,100 --> 01:20:43,160 nice and it was in August of 2017 and I 1803 01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:45,110 was sitting there with my girlfriend and 1804 01:20:48,700 --> 01:20:46,610 I said I really want to see something 1805 01:20:51,580 --> 01:20:48,710 definitive because you know we were we'd 1806 01:20:55,300 --> 01:20:51,590 see satellites and we would see lights 1807 01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:55,310 open up and little dot so we threw them 1808 01:20:58,960 --> 01:20:57,530 and I said I wanted to see something 1809 01:21:00,610 --> 01:20:58,970 defended it so I put that energy out 1810 01:21:03,310 --> 01:21:00,620 there I wanted these up and defend this 1811 01:21:06,370 --> 01:21:03,320 for a change and I'm I'm a former 1812 01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:06,380 military aviator and so is my girlfriend 1813 01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:10,480 and so we have what 20 years of 1814 01:21:14,140 --> 01:21:12,560 observation in the sky okay so we're not 1815 01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:14,150 just some somebody that walked outside 1816 01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:16,130 and looked up we know what we we know 1817 01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:19,520 what lies around at least from the earth 1818 01:21:24,910 --> 01:21:24,050 so about two hours later it's dark and 1819 01:21:26,890 --> 01:21:24,920 we're kind of 1820 01:21:27,970 --> 01:21:26,900 lazy and didn't want to lose lose our 1821 01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:27,980 night vision and we're pointing around 1822 01:21:31,959 --> 01:21:29,360 the night sky and I said okay we will 1823 01:21:33,340 --> 01:21:31,969 call this area two stars so we could 1824 01:21:35,860 --> 01:21:33,350 call out satellites to each other and 1825 01:21:38,620 --> 01:21:35,870 event and we looked right over at 1826 01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:38,630 Antares and I said and we're both 1827 01:21:41,950 --> 01:21:40,250 looking at the same spot and I said 1828 01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:41,960 we'll call that and then we see this 1829 01:21:48,010 --> 01:21:46,130 humongous disc and it was kind of tear 1830 01:21:50,410 --> 01:21:48,020 dropped at the end at the backside of it 1831 01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:50,420 and it basically still there yeah yeah 1832 01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:51,050 I'm listening 1833 01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:54,650 sorry story okay yeah sorry yep and we 1834 01:22:00,430 --> 01:21:57,650 see this enormous light and we could 1835 01:22:03,220 --> 01:22:00,440 actually see detail on it and then it it 1836 01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:03,230 basically it went about the length of my 1837 01:22:06,490 --> 01:22:04,850 finger holding it up into the sky so it 1838 01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:06,500 must have been really high in orbit and 1839 01:22:12,729 --> 01:22:10,610 it basically either went to war or it 1840 01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,739 looked more like it went to war from I 1841 01:22:16,900 --> 01:22:14,960 hate to use the analogy to Star Trek but 1842 01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:16,910 basically we saw the shimmering and it 1843 01:22:21,310 --> 01:22:19,520 disappeared and a solid line so in other 1844 01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:21,320 words it's almost like a line opened up 1845 01:22:24,910 --> 01:22:23,090 and the whole craft went when it went 1846 01:22:26,979 --> 01:22:24,920 through that line with absolutely 1847 01:22:29,410 --> 01:22:26,989 amazing and I said did you see that just 1848 01:22:31,390 --> 01:22:29,420 that I saw it so I had I had you know 1849 01:22:33,390 --> 01:22:31,400 when we're both educated not that that 1850 01:22:37,060 --> 01:22:33,400 really matters that were both sane 1851 01:22:39,900 --> 01:22:37,070 adults and it was absolutely amazing how 1852 01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:39,910 far would you think it was from you I 1853 01:22:46,180 --> 01:22:42,530 would say it was in orbit it had to been 1854 01:22:49,140 --> 01:22:46,190 absolutely enormous so this was that the 1855 01:22:53,410 --> 01:22:49,150 impression I got and any other witnesses 1856 01:22:54,130 --> 01:22:53,420 yes one other and did you actually file 1857 01:22:59,770 --> 01:22:54,140 a report 1858 01:23:01,540 --> 01:22:59,780 I actually filed it with Alejandro oh I 1859 01:23:05,169 --> 01:23:01,550 didn't receive a follow-up or anything 1860 01:23:07,660 --> 01:23:05,179 and I don't remember one I I actually 1861 01:23:11,229 --> 01:23:07,670 went right inside wrote up the whole 1862 01:23:14,669 --> 01:23:11,239 thing so I would have it and that was it 1863 01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:14,679 actually happened on August 16th of 2017 1864 01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:17,810 Wow well that's really interesting and 1865 01:23:22,090 --> 01:23:20,000 so you do you think it actually 1866 01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:22,100 change shape or do you think it just 1867 01:23:28,750 --> 01:23:26,570 actually took off I I think I think it 1868 01:23:30,220 --> 01:23:28,760 took off or went to it I got the 1869 01:23:34,180 --> 01:23:30,230 impression that it went through a portal 1870 01:23:36,010 --> 01:23:34,190 it's sped up and it was enormous and I'd 1871 01:23:38,050 --> 01:23:36,020 have to find get one of my math guys to 1872 01:23:38,770 --> 01:23:38,060 do it because it was about the size I 1873 01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:38,780 would say 1874 01:23:46,150 --> 01:23:42,530 85% of a full moon the size of it and it 1875 01:23:48,970 --> 01:23:46,160 looked way up in the sky but it was huge 1876 01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:48,980 from our vantage point and out here was 1877 01:23:53,620 --> 01:23:51,920 big it was just that at nighttime what 1878 01:23:57,370 --> 01:23:53,630 time what time of the day was it it was 1879 01:24:01,540 --> 01:23:57,380 about about 9:00 p.m. 9:00 p.m. okay 1880 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:01,550 wow that's really fascinating and it was 1881 01:24:06,700 --> 01:24:03,170 a great experience 1882 01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:06,710 yeah how about noise was there any noise 1883 01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:09,920 factor that you're aware of none none 1884 01:24:14,590 --> 01:24:12,080 and it could have been too far away also 1885 01:24:17,530 --> 01:24:14,600 you know I mean that's another you know 1886 01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:17,540 alternative but well I got the 1887 01:24:21,130 --> 01:24:19,610 impression that it was very far away I 1888 01:24:23,140 --> 01:24:21,140 mean I got the impression that it was 1889 01:24:25,780 --> 01:24:23,150 dead within a war but that's kind of my 1890 01:24:28,750 --> 01:24:25,790 impression that I got right there so I 1891 01:24:32,020 --> 01:24:28,760 kind of got this impression and it was 1892 01:24:33,820 --> 01:24:32,030 enormous it's almost like it's almost we 1893 01:24:35,140 --> 01:24:33,830 kind of disgusted after we were like it 1894 01:24:38,020 --> 01:24:35,150 almost felt like we were being teased 1895 01:24:41,140 --> 01:24:38,030 you know like oh hey here look it up now 1896 01:24:42,730 --> 01:24:41,150 you're a believer oh I got my definitive 1897 01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:42,740 answer Wow 1898 01:24:46,540 --> 01:24:45,530 and it was absolutely amazing yeah and 1899 01:24:48,490 --> 01:24:46,550 this is actually the first time I've 1900 01:24:51,580 --> 01:24:48,500 shared it outside of that experience so 1901 01:24:54,250 --> 01:24:51,590 and writing it Alejandro oh wow 1902 01:24:57,310 --> 01:24:54,260 hopefully he's looking oh well I don't 1903 01:24:58,140 --> 01:24:57,320 know look I'm not hello hello oh there 1904 01:25:02,680 --> 01:24:58,150 he is 1905 01:25:04,050 --> 01:25:02,690 how do I go back Wow yeah sorry about 1906 01:25:08,590 --> 01:25:04,060 that 1907 01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:08,600 I've never yeah my internet just had 1908 01:25:13,420 --> 01:25:11,570 gone down and I had to restart the 1909 01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:13,430 router and I actually haven't 1910 01:25:18,970 --> 01:25:16,010 experienced that here before but it 1911 01:25:20,350 --> 01:25:18,980 happens we actually have a caller on the 1912 01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:20,360 line he was telling me a story he 1913 01:25:25,690 --> 01:25:23,330 actually sent you do you want a home and 1914 01:25:28,030 --> 01:25:25,700 don't not repeat the story completely 1915 01:25:29,100 --> 01:25:28,040 but do you want to say hi to alejandro 1916 01:25:31,780 --> 01:25:29,110 now that he's back 1917 01:25:34,030 --> 01:25:31,790 hello alejandro my name is Jay I'm 1918 01:25:36,100 --> 01:25:34,040 actually from Oklahoma but I was living 1919 01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:36,110 out in Arizona and Scottsdale last year 1920 01:25:40,510 --> 01:25:38,930 and I sent my report in to you I didn't 1921 01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:40,520 receive I don't think I receive anything 1922 01:25:44,410 --> 01:25:42,290 from you and doesn't mean you didn't get 1923 01:25:47,620 --> 01:25:44,420 it cuz I'm sure you get quite a few all 1924 01:25:50,170 --> 01:25:47,630 the time however it was right up North 1925 01:25:52,750 --> 01:25:50,180 Scottsdale right there at Cave Creek by 1926 01:25:54,850 --> 01:25:52,760 the boulders which I'm sure you could 1927 01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,860 around and find that location but I saw 1928 01:25:58,990 --> 01:25:56,719 something that's the night I became they 1929 01:26:00,250 --> 01:25:59,000 believe I became at nowhere instead of a 1930 01:26:02,140 --> 01:26:00,260 believer in UFOs 1931 01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:02,150 I saw something absolutely amazing up 1932 01:26:07,569 --> 01:26:04,610 there and it was a very high in the sky 1933 01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:07,579 and really changed my whole outlook on 1934 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:11,570 it on and because it was it was so high 1935 01:26:15,370 --> 01:26:13,010 up in the sky it went about the length 1936 01:26:17,500 --> 01:26:15,380 of my finger so if you do the math and 1937 01:26:19,839 --> 01:26:17,510 it say it was 75% the size of a full 1938 01:26:23,950 --> 01:26:19,849 moon it would have to be absolutely 1939 01:26:25,839 --> 01:26:23,960 enormous and the detail on the craft we 1940 01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:25,849 could see it was basically grounded in 1941 01:26:30,430 --> 01:26:28,130 the front and the back side the back end 1942 01:26:33,220 --> 01:26:30,440 it was it was basically it was round and 1943 01:26:37,149 --> 01:26:33,230 looked round and flat but the backside 1944 01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:37,159 of it was almost like Batman wings it 1945 01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:39,920 kind of came down to a point and went up 1946 01:26:45,459 --> 01:26:42,320 into the craft and he came down into a 1947 01:26:48,850 --> 01:26:45,469 point in the middle and then came down 1948 01:26:52,779 --> 01:26:48,860 into what's what's the best that it's 1949 01:26:54,339 --> 01:26:52,789 hard to really describe that shape and I 1950 01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:54,349 could send you a photo or something or 1951 01:26:59,620 --> 01:26:57,440 send you a drawing of it however once it 1952 01:27:01,299 --> 01:26:59,630 disappeared in the solid line I mean it 1953 01:27:03,910 --> 01:27:01,309 basically it's almost like it blew 1954 01:27:05,379 --> 01:27:03,920 behind a door and so you would see it 1955 01:27:07,450 --> 01:27:05,389 you would see the whole craft disappear 1956 01:27:09,930 --> 01:27:07,460 in that line and it was shimmering on 1957 01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:09,940 the side and shimmering in front of it 1958 01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:12,170 and we saw it I would say it lasted 1959 01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:15,170 about a second half but both of us were 1960 01:27:20,500 --> 01:27:16,610 looking in that same spot because we 1961 01:27:23,319 --> 01:27:20,510 were we were actually mapping the night 1962 01:27:25,419 --> 01:27:23,329 sky to watch satellite and we were just 1963 01:27:27,939 --> 01:27:25,429 putting random names for the different 1964 01:27:30,609 --> 01:27:27,949 consolation at the ground 1965 01:27:33,189 --> 01:27:30,619 so yeah I apologize if I didn't respond 1966 01:27:37,089 --> 01:27:33,199 or anything I only am able to respond to 1967 01:27:39,399 --> 01:27:37,099 a fraction of my emails unfortunately I 1968 01:27:42,209 --> 01:27:39,409 would need I think to hire someone 1969 01:27:44,529 --> 01:27:42,219 full-time to go through all of them but 1970 01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:44,539 what I what's interesting about your 1971 01:27:48,009 --> 01:27:46,250 story and what I mean I've got 1972 01:27:50,819 --> 01:27:48,019 skin-walker on the mind so much 1973 01:27:53,500 --> 01:27:50,829 especially with Jeremy corbels movie and 1974 01:27:55,629 --> 01:27:53,510 the way you describe it you know like 1975 01:27:59,049 --> 01:27:55,639 going behind the door behind a line is 1976 01:28:00,700 --> 01:27:59,059 sort of similar to something they 1977 01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:00,710 described there where they felt they 1978 01:28:05,969 --> 01:28:04,400 were seeing like a a hole in this guy to 1979 01:28:09,359 --> 01:28:05,979 another dimension 1980 01:28:13,169 --> 01:28:09,369 and what's interesting I'm finding these 1981 01:28:15,949 --> 01:28:13,179 days is that scientists surprisingly 1982 01:28:18,449 --> 01:28:15,959 because it they can't be kind of odd but 1983 01:28:20,430 --> 01:28:18,459 because there's all this talk in science 1984 01:28:23,629 --> 01:28:20,440 around multiple dimensions and other 1985 01:28:29,009 --> 01:28:23,639 dimensions scientists seemed more 1986 01:28:33,239 --> 01:28:29,019 readily able to accept the idea that 1987 01:28:36,930 --> 01:28:33,249 we're seeing somehow holes between our 1988 01:28:39,719 --> 01:28:36,940 dimensions and others and they they feel 1989 01:28:41,330 --> 01:28:39,729 it seems like many of them like that 1990 01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:41,340 idea better than the extra-terrestrial 1991 01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:45,760 answer and sightings like yours you know 1992 01:28:51,449 --> 01:28:47,530 are kind of the reason that they believe 1993 01:28:54,209 --> 01:28:51,459 that interesting well I think you missed 1994 01:28:57,540 --> 01:28:54,219 the part that I told that had already 1995 01:28:59,310 --> 01:28:57,550 spoken that I I set out we've been we've 1996 01:29:00,719 --> 01:28:59,320 seen some things in the night sky and 1997 01:29:02,029 --> 01:29:00,729 some orbs in the house that kind of 1998 01:29:04,949 --> 01:29:02,039 thing and oh wow 1999 01:29:06,899 --> 01:29:04,959 and we this was probably about our 2000 01:29:08,489 --> 01:29:06,909 fourth occurrence but I I kind of missed 2001 01:29:10,620 --> 01:29:08,499 them this some of the other ones I would 2002 01:29:12,209 --> 01:29:10,630 see just to look over a little bit too 2003 01:29:13,469 --> 01:29:12,219 late but I actually set out why I was 2004 01:29:15,839 --> 01:29:13,479 still bright we were eating dinner 2005 01:29:18,089 --> 01:29:15,849 outside in the backyard you know like 2006 01:29:19,469 --> 01:29:18,099 people do in Arizona and I said to my 2007 01:29:20,939 --> 01:29:19,479 girlfriend I said I want to see 2008 01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:20,949 something definitive I put it out there 2009 01:29:24,359 --> 01:29:22,570 I put my intention I want to see 2010 01:29:27,330 --> 01:29:24,369 something definitive and then a couple 2011 01:29:29,609 --> 01:29:27,340 hours later my wish was granted and so I 2012 01:29:31,890 --> 01:29:29,619 don't know this might be more of a Linda 2013 01:29:34,259 --> 01:29:31,900 Moulton Howe thing but it's it's putting 2014 01:29:38,069 --> 01:29:34,269 that intention out there and it's not 2015 01:29:41,129 --> 01:29:38,079 like this overwhelming desire to have 2016 01:29:44,910 --> 01:29:41,139 that experience but I had been into 2017 01:29:46,890 --> 01:29:44,920 ufology throughout the years off and on 2018 01:29:50,399 --> 01:29:46,900 and I would say I'm fairly well versed 2019 01:29:53,069 --> 01:29:50,409 in in it and I'm former military aviator 2020 01:29:54,899 --> 01:29:53,079 so with my girlfriend and so we know 2021 01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:54,909 what we know what aircraft look like 2022 01:29:59,399 --> 01:29:57,610 that are known to the public so we're 2023 01:30:01,859 --> 01:29:59,409 not just some but somebody going oh my 2024 01:30:05,310 --> 01:30:01,869 god I told them you know it's a it's 2025 01:30:09,239 --> 01:30:05,320 it's for Mars or something that's 2026 01:30:14,219 --> 01:30:09,249 important now I have one of my sightings 2027 01:30:16,589 --> 01:30:14,229 we did do a like a she said II type of 2028 01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:16,599 protocol where we're in tensioning 2029 01:30:19,950 --> 01:30:18,880 sending intention to however the 2030 01:30:21,540 --> 01:30:19,960 majority of Scott 2031 01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:21,550 watches have gone - with other UFO 2032 01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:24,010 people people have sent intentions out 2033 01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:26,410 and the majority there isn't something 2034 01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:31,210 however one interesting sighting I did 2035 01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:33,730 have was with a friend she came in to 2036 01:30:37,470 --> 01:30:35,290 move on and she became a really good 2037 01:30:40,260 --> 01:30:37,480 friend of mine but she said I see these 2038 01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:40,270 white orbs all the time and and I was 2039 01:30:43,860 --> 01:30:42,010 like you know we were all like yeah sure 2040 01:30:47,340 --> 01:30:43,870 but I took her seriously cuz she seemed 2041 01:30:49,890 --> 01:30:47,350 really intelligent and we kind of hit it 2042 01:30:51,900 --> 01:30:49,900 off she was really funny and so she's 2043 01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:51,910 like we'll come on over and we'll hang 2044 01:30:57,810 --> 01:30:55,570 out and we'll see I'll show you if you 2045 01:30:59,370 --> 01:30:57,820 know we could sky watch mm-hmm but she 2046 01:31:00,990 --> 01:30:59,380 didn't sky watch like the rest of us you 2047 01:31:03,300 --> 01:31:01,000 know you sky watch you go outside and 2048 01:31:05,490 --> 01:31:03,310 you watch this guy know she wanted to 2049 01:31:07,050 --> 01:31:05,500 talk and we hung out and she were just 2050 01:31:09,690 --> 01:31:07,060 talked about UFOs and stuff and she's 2051 01:31:10,140 --> 01:31:09,700 like we should go outside and I'm like 2052 01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:10,150 really 2053 01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:11,650 and she's like yeah I kind of get a 2054 01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:14,770 feeling and I'm like all right so we go 2055 01:31:20,220 --> 01:31:17,290 outside and it's we sit down onto these 2056 01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:20,230 loungers that she has it's probably ten 2057 01:31:24,270 --> 01:31:22,450 minutes before she's like look there's 2058 01:31:26,670 --> 01:31:24,280 one over there and there was you know 2059 01:31:29,910 --> 01:31:26,680 one of these it was like a little white 2060 01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:29,920 light during the day and it faded out it 2061 01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:31,840 reappeared somewhere else it kind of 2062 01:31:38,750 --> 01:31:35,050 moved and then faded out again which was 2063 01:31:42,900 --> 01:31:38,760 similar to what he had videotaped and 2064 01:31:45,209 --> 01:31:42,910 she just seemed to be one of those 2065 01:31:48,630 --> 01:31:45,219 people that and she felt she had other 2066 01:31:50,220 --> 01:31:48,640 experiences and at the time I was really 2067 01:31:52,770 --> 01:31:50,230 skeptical with people who felt they had 2068 01:31:54,180 --> 01:31:52,780 alien experiences but especially being 2069 01:31:57,180 --> 01:31:54,190 part of move on I had more and more 2070 01:31:58,500 --> 01:31:57,190 people come up and say you know and 2071 01:32:00,930 --> 01:31:58,510 they're very timid 2072 01:32:02,940 --> 01:32:00,940 and luckily they felt comfortable enough 2073 01:32:05,490 --> 01:32:02,950 to share that with me their experience 2074 01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:05,500 and then I became friends with dr. Leo 2075 01:32:09,209 --> 01:32:07,930 sprinkle and sometimes I'd take people 2076 01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:09,219 out there he was the only one I really 2077 01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:11,170 trusted because he was an actual you 2078 01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:13,110 know PhD and he worked at a university 2079 01:32:21,510 --> 01:32:16,570 as part for part of a he had it up part 2080 01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:21,520 of the psychology department and I don't 2081 01:32:25,140 --> 01:32:23,290 know even to this day I don't know what 2082 01:32:28,709 --> 01:32:25,150 to make of that stuff but it really 2083 01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:28,719 opened my mind to who knows there's a 2084 01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:30,250 lot of people that report and a lot of 2085 01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:31,810 people say this that's absolutely 2086 01:32:35,850 --> 01:32:33,489 ridiculous that Allah 2087 01:32:38,220 --> 01:32:35,860 of people report seeing something off in 2088 01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:38,230 the far distance and as soon as they see 2089 01:32:44,189 --> 01:32:42,130 it it moves towards them and you know 2090 01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:44,199 people especially scientific minded even 2091 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:45,760 in this field are like that's ridiculous 2092 01:32:51,779 --> 01:32:48,010 there's no way they could have had an 2093 01:32:53,879 --> 01:32:51,789 effect but why not I mean I you know I I 2094 01:32:56,609 --> 01:32:53,889 love the arthur c clarke saying you know 2095 01:32:58,950 --> 01:32:56,619 any sufficiently advanced technology is 2096 01:33:02,310 --> 01:32:58,960 going to look like magic that to those 2097 01:33:03,810 --> 01:33:02,320 in who don't understand it and so just 2098 01:33:08,189 --> 01:33:03,820 because we don't understand it doesn't 2099 01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:08,199 mean it's not possible that somehow you 2100 01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:11,650 know by sending our intentions or 2101 01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:13,570 attention in a certain direction doesn't 2102 01:33:18,390 --> 01:33:15,130 have an effect on something that we're 2103 01:33:21,060 --> 01:33:18,400 observing so yeah i don't know it's it's 2104 01:33:23,370 --> 01:33:21,070 really interesting thanks for calling in 2105 01:33:27,209 --> 01:33:23,380 i apologize i wasn't able to get back to 2106 01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:27,219 you but it's fascinating exciting hey i 2107 01:33:30,359 --> 01:33:28,570 love the show and i love i love 2108 01:33:31,589 --> 01:33:30,369 following both of your activities 2109 01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:31,599 alright thank you 2110 01:33:36,750 --> 01:33:34,690 yeah well thanks again for the call all 2111 01:33:39,180 --> 01:33:36,760 right sure bye all right bye 2112 01:33:41,609 --> 01:33:39,190 so we do have the line open that's up on 2113 01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:41,619 the screen on youtube anyone can call 2114 01:33:48,209 --> 01:33:45,730 603 9 6 7 403 Oh someone else had called 2115 01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:48,219 in earlier we chatted for a bit Matt 2116 01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:51,489 from I think was North Carolina I 2117 01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:54,610 believe anyway he wanted to know what 2118 01:33:59,759 --> 01:33:56,530 your thoughts were on Corey good but we 2119 01:34:00,899 --> 01:33:59,769 really don't have to go there unless you 2120 01:34:02,790 --> 01:34:00,909 wanted to talk about that 2121 01:34:06,149 --> 01:34:02,800 otherwise I'm I do have another question 2122 01:34:08,549 --> 01:34:06,159 that came in I'll just very quickly say 2123 01:34:11,810 --> 01:34:08,559 I still find it dubious I don't see any 2124 01:34:14,700 --> 01:34:11,820 I personally don't find I see anything 2125 01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:14,710 really substantial that proves that 2126 01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:18,730 story to me and there are at least one 2127 01:34:24,209 --> 01:34:21,610 red flag in that the the marketing 2128 01:34:27,959 --> 01:34:24,219 aspect of his website and everything I 2129 01:34:29,759 --> 01:34:27,969 just personally it doesn't seem like if 2130 01:34:32,250 --> 01:34:29,769 we really had a whistleblower what they 2131 01:34:34,379 --> 01:34:32,260 have this you know polished kind of 2132 01:34:38,089 --> 01:34:34,389 website up with all this information and 2133 01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:38,099 have this whole marketing engine rolling 2134 01:34:44,219 --> 01:34:42,729 that to me doesn't sound but I don't 2135 01:34:46,710 --> 01:34:44,229 know well that's a really good point 2136 01:34:47,790 --> 01:34:46,720 that makes 2137 01:34:51,090 --> 01:34:47,800 I never thought of that but you 2138 01:34:53,250 --> 01:34:51,100 absolutely that that kind of goes 2139 01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:53,260 totally against the grain of anyone that 2140 01:35:00,240 --> 01:34:56,170 would be supposedly you know secretly 2141 01:35:02,610 --> 01:35:00,250 coming out for sure all right the 2142 01:35:05,010 --> 01:35:02,620 question that came in from Carrie again 2143 01:35:07,110 --> 01:35:05,020 is do you think the public's reaction 2144 01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:07,120 would be blase to a major announcement 2145 01:35:12,510 --> 01:35:09,850 regarding extraterrestrial life as we 2146 01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:12,520 seem to have such a short attention span 2147 01:35:20,100 --> 01:35:16,570 these days I love that probably and I 2148 01:35:25,830 --> 01:35:20,110 think that you know Lou Elizondo feels 2149 01:35:28,590 --> 01:35:25,840 that he was the harbinger of disclosure 2150 01:35:30,780 --> 01:35:28,600 he believes that disclosure happened 2151 01:35:35,460 --> 01:35:30,790 when that New York Times story came out 2152 01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:35,470 and which is mostly based on largely 2153 01:35:39,090 --> 01:35:37,210 based on what he said but like I said 2154 01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:39,100 there were other sources so other people 2155 01:35:45,450 --> 01:35:42,930 had come out too he feels that was 2156 01:35:50,190 --> 01:35:45,460 disclosure of what the government has 2157 01:35:52,380 --> 01:35:50,200 done and knows about UFOs and I don't 2158 01:35:55,440 --> 01:35:52,390 know if that's true he even admits that 2159 01:35:57,840 --> 01:35:55,450 it's possible that there were things 2160 01:35:59,640 --> 01:35:57,850 going on he was not aware of but he 2161 01:36:02,040 --> 01:35:59,650 doesn't think so just because of all the 2162 01:36:04,020 --> 01:36:02,050 pushback he got which kind of fits along 2163 01:36:06,300 --> 01:36:04,030 lines of John Alexander the colonel from 2164 01:36:07,980 --> 01:36:06,310 the Army who says he really looked for 2165 01:36:11,580 --> 01:36:07,990 where's the secret project and didn't 2166 01:36:14,370 --> 01:36:11,590 find any he looked before elizondo's 2167 01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:14,380 program but at the same time you know 2168 01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:17,890 Alexander interfaced with Bigelow and 2169 01:36:22,170 --> 01:36:19,690 helped Bigelow establish a lot of his 2170 01:36:24,060 --> 01:36:22,180 investigations and Alexander didn't know 2171 01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:24,070 about this Pentagon program until 2172 01:36:29,490 --> 01:36:26,410 December of and and he shared that with 2173 01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:29,500 me on my podcast so he was an insider 2174 01:36:33,660 --> 01:36:32,320 and he didn't know so that's an example 2175 01:36:37,290 --> 01:36:33,670 there could be something they didn't 2176 01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:37,300 know but the fact remains that that 2177 01:36:41,670 --> 01:36:39,760 that's it's a pretty major disclosure 2178 01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:41,680 that the government had the secret 2179 01:36:47,190 --> 01:36:44,050 program where they spend ten two million 2180 01:36:49,140 --> 01:36:47,200 dollars investigating UFOs and to the 2181 01:36:51,300 --> 01:36:49,150 paranormal and that part hasn't even 2182 01:36:54,270 --> 01:36:51,310 really sunk in with people and people 2183 01:36:56,610 --> 01:36:54,280 are like oh interesting I mean even the 2184 01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:56,620 people I share all the details with you 2185 01:37:00,660 --> 01:36:58,480 know in the general public are like hmm 2186 01:37:02,610 --> 01:37:00,670 that makes sense you know 2187 01:37:05,430 --> 01:37:02,620 and so they do seem to be pretty blasé 2188 01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:05,440 about that aspect and a lot of these 2189 01:37:10,410 --> 01:37:08,110 people are assuming that means the 2190 01:37:12,210 --> 01:37:10,420 government was investigating aliens now 2191 01:37:13,670 --> 01:37:12,220 Alessandra says no these we don't know 2192 01:37:16,410 --> 01:37:13,680 what they were or where they came from 2193 01:37:19,020 --> 01:37:16,420 but even those who assume it means 2194 01:37:21,630 --> 01:37:19,030 aliens are like ah yeah I figured that 2195 01:37:23,670 --> 01:37:21,640 was the case so it I think you're right 2196 01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:23,680 I think people would be pretty blasé 2197 01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:25,810 there's an anime like this and it's 2198 01:37:29,610 --> 01:37:27,370 really funny because there's this one 2199 01:37:30,930 --> 01:37:29,620 kid and he's the only one that shot you 2200 01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:30,940 know that we just found out there's 2201 01:37:34,650 --> 01:37:32,410 aliens coming to the planet and 2202 01:37:39,060 --> 01:37:34,660 everybody else is like and they just go 2203 01:37:41,490 --> 01:37:39,070 on with their life so yeah maybe I think 2204 01:37:43,110 --> 01:37:41,500 that they it may be less impactful than 2205 01:37:45,810 --> 01:37:43,120 we think we're actually gonna have a 2206 01:37:48,180 --> 01:37:45,820 panel regarding this with myself Jason 2207 01:37:51,060 --> 01:37:48,190 McClellan Richard Dolan and Steven 2208 01:37:53,250 --> 01:37:51,070 Bassett at alien convex weekend oh great 2209 01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:53,260 well I don't know did you happen to 2210 01:37:58,080 --> 01:37:55,570 watch the recent it's a recent movie 2211 01:38:01,170 --> 01:37:58,090 called UFO that's the only title of it 2212 01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:01,180 no I didn't see that movie I think I had 2213 01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:03,450 Gillian Anderson and it's right yeah 2214 01:38:10,500 --> 01:38:07,410 anyway I watched that and you know it's 2215 01:38:12,210 --> 01:38:10,510 if you if you follow the UFO field you'd 2216 01:38:14,100 --> 01:38:12,220 be thinking all the way through that 2217 01:38:15,780 --> 01:38:14,110 like oh this is ridiculous this is 2218 01:38:18,030 --> 01:38:15,790 ridiculous because they're making such a 2219 01:38:20,300 --> 01:38:18,040 big deal and and chasing this guy down 2220 01:38:22,530 --> 01:38:20,310 just for you know some information 2221 01:38:24,900 --> 01:38:22,540 mathematical information on the UFO and 2222 01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:24,910 all that and so you know I don't want to 2223 01:38:28,440 --> 01:38:26,290 give the movie way for anyone that 2224 01:38:30,330 --> 01:38:28,450 hasn't watched it but basically the only 2225 01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:30,340 way the whole thing ties it in and makes 2226 01:38:35,790 --> 01:38:33,280 sense is the very end but until that 2227 01:38:37,950 --> 01:38:35,800 time someone in the field like you or me 2228 01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:37,960 would be just thinking oh my god that's 2229 01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:39,490 way overboard way overboard and then 2230 01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:41,290 very end it makes it makes total sense 2231 01:38:48,210 --> 01:38:45,970 but times up yeah it was pretty good 2232 01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:48,220 it was pretty semi thumbs up but you 2233 01:38:53,850 --> 01:38:51,610 know the the interesting part about it 2234 01:38:56,370 --> 01:38:53,860 is you know this kid is like totally 2235 01:38:57,810 --> 01:38:56,380 fascinated and totally into it like this 2236 01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:57,820 is really you know the most amazing 2237 01:39:03,420 --> 01:38:59,440 thing but everyone around him it's like 2238 01:39:07,230 --> 01:39:03,430 you know like okay enough enough but I 2239 01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:07,240 do think you know the Pentagon thing was 2240 01:39:14,129 --> 01:39:09,850 you're right it's not saying aliens per 2241 01:39:16,109 --> 01:39:14,139 se but if it actually came out that 2242 01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:16,119 we had a hundred percent evidence that 2243 01:39:20,700 --> 01:39:17,530 there's intelligent life out there I 2244 01:39:22,830 --> 01:39:20,710 think it I think it's a big deal but how 2245 01:39:24,689 --> 01:39:22,840 many other people may not you know the 2246 01:39:26,399 --> 01:39:24,699 average person out there that doesn't 2247 01:39:28,740 --> 01:39:26,409 really care that much about you know 2248 01:39:31,649 --> 01:39:28,750 space in general or anything else you 2249 01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:31,659 know may just think that so what won't 2250 01:39:35,850 --> 01:39:32,400 change anything 2251 01:39:37,649 --> 01:39:35,860 well I may be a nerd I flipped about the 2252 01:39:39,570 --> 01:39:37,659 New York Times story I mean I thought 2253 01:39:41,820 --> 01:39:39,580 that was a big deal and even to the 2254 01:39:43,140 --> 01:39:41,830 stars when Tom announced that and 2255 01:39:46,530 --> 01:39:43,150 everything all the people he was talking 2256 01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:46,540 to I thought that was a big deal to me 2257 01:39:52,169 --> 01:39:48,489 that was one of the most exciting things 2258 01:39:57,180 --> 01:39:52,179 ever to happen but even people in this 2259 01:40:00,120 --> 01:39:57,190 field they're like oh well it is 2260 01:40:02,580 --> 01:40:00,130 something and there is so much news of I 2261 01:40:04,979 --> 01:40:02,590 mean there's so much information coming 2262 01:40:06,540 --> 01:40:04,989 at us all the time and then I learn more 2263 01:40:08,609 --> 01:40:06,550 and more and then you know everyone has 2264 01:40:11,490 --> 01:40:08,619 a smartphone and there's all types of 2265 01:40:13,950 --> 01:40:11,500 you know info coming at you and that 2266 01:40:17,070 --> 01:40:13,960 just makes everyone's attention span in 2267 01:40:18,959 --> 01:40:17,080 general short and you know the news if 2268 01:40:20,820 --> 01:40:18,969 you're watching the news over the last 2269 01:40:22,979 --> 01:40:20,830 few years you know it's like so much 2270 01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:22,989 coming in all at once and then a major 2271 01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:27,010 story is like nothing I can see you know 2272 01:40:30,270 --> 01:40:28,570 a story with like a millennial start 2273 01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:30,280 them on their phone they're there 2274 01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:32,800 waiting for the subway they get in the 2275 01:40:38,010 --> 01:40:36,250 subway they sit down they look up and 2276 01:40:41,939 --> 01:40:38,020 it's an alien sitting next to him and 2277 01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:41,949 they're like hmm figures you know maybe 2278 01:40:50,459 --> 01:40:47,650 yeah yeah can do a selfie okay another 2279 01:40:53,220 --> 01:40:50,469 question came in who do you consider an 2280 01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:53,230 unsung hero in the field of ufology 2281 01:41:02,040 --> 01:40:59,040 today you know some of my biggest heroes 2282 01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:02,050 I guess I would say and I would put it 2283 01:41:06,899 --> 01:41:04,719 that way uh Nick Pope I think is one I 2284 01:41:12,270 --> 01:41:06,909 think that you know was with these 2285 01:41:14,129 --> 01:41:12,280 people like Nick Pope he didn't imagine 2286 01:41:16,890 --> 01:41:14,139 you're working for the government the 2287 01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:16,900 the Ministry of Defense or in our case 2288 01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:19,570 that the Defense Department kind of like 2289 01:41:24,810 --> 01:41:21,730 Lou Elizondo Lou Elizondo is a new Nick 2290 01:41:26,430 --> 01:41:24,820 Pope who is also a hero of mine and you 2291 01:41:27,959 --> 01:41:26,440 know all of a sudden you get put on this 2292 01:41:31,020 --> 01:41:27,969 UFO project and you're like 2293 01:41:32,700 --> 01:41:31,030 this is stupid and you know do you go 2294 01:41:35,310 --> 01:41:32,710 through your paces even if you're like 2295 01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:35,320 wow there's some real stuff here would 2296 01:41:40,170 --> 01:41:37,570 you be willing would you want to like 2297 01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:40,180 share that information and damage your 2298 01:41:45,660 --> 01:41:41,890 friendships or potentially with your 2299 01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:45,670 friends and your colleagues you know I 2300 01:41:49,530 --> 01:41:47,770 think that's really brave of these guys 2301 01:41:53,490 --> 01:41:49,540 to come out and to share this and to 2302 01:41:55,410 --> 01:41:53,500 really push this topic forward so I'm 2303 01:41:59,010 --> 01:41:55,420 really into them some of the other 2304 01:42:01,920 --> 01:41:59,020 people of course you know Heineken and 2305 01:42:05,100 --> 01:42:01,930 Jacques valet is his partner Jacques 2306 01:42:08,580 --> 01:42:05,110 valet for instance is a scientist he's a 2307 01:42:11,939 --> 01:42:08,590 venture capitalist he works in the 2308 01:42:13,860 --> 01:42:11,949 highest circle the highest echelon much 2309 01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:13,870 like a lot of the people with to the 2310 01:42:19,170 --> 01:42:17,199 stars you know Chris Mellon who's part 2311 01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:19,180 of the melon family yeah 2312 01:42:25,550 --> 01:42:21,040 and also what you had him on the show 2313 01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:25,560 and you're one of the few people and he 2314 01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:31,570 you know worked at the you know for the 2315 01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:33,010 White House and all of these things 2316 01:42:38,700 --> 01:42:35,920 comments - yeah yeah a Department of 2317 01:42:40,590 --> 01:42:38,710 Defense all of these people who put 2318 01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:40,600 their reputations on the line and I 2319 01:42:46,350 --> 01:42:42,930 think it's difficult for some of us to 2320 01:42:48,990 --> 01:42:46,360 kind of quantify or understand what a 2321 01:42:50,910 --> 01:42:49,000 big deal that is because the higher you 2322 01:42:54,110 --> 01:42:50,920 get especially in sciences and things 2323 01:42:57,810 --> 01:42:54,120 like that the more you know your 2324 01:42:59,670 --> 01:42:57,820 reputation is really important that you 2325 01:43:01,650 --> 01:42:59,680 have to guard it in order to get funding 2326 01:43:03,780 --> 01:43:01,660 or in order to get you know your 2327 01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:03,790 projects push through and and these 2328 01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:06,010 things to happen and so it's really 2329 01:43:11,130 --> 01:43:08,080 brave of these people Bigelow it's 2330 01:43:15,300 --> 01:43:11,140 really brave of them the people who have 2331 01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:15,310 a lot are putting more on the line and I 2332 01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:19,920 I really admire them and then I'm also a 2333 01:43:25,950 --> 01:43:23,410 humongous fan of george knapp of course 2334 01:43:28,290 --> 01:43:25,960 being a journalist he's won tons of 2335 01:43:32,189 --> 01:43:28,300 awards I love the way he tells stories 2336 01:43:35,939 --> 01:43:32,199 he tells stories in a unique but concise 2337 01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:35,949 and entertaining an educational 2338 01:43:41,550 --> 01:43:39,370 informative way and he's a big hero of 2339 01:43:44,190 --> 01:43:41,560 mine I think he's great 2340 01:43:47,790 --> 01:43:44,200 so yeah those are those are some of my 2341 01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:47,800 heroes Leslie Kane is a huge hero of 2342 01:43:53,730 --> 01:43:51,040 mine I mean she's typically her stories 2343 01:43:58,530 --> 01:43:53,740 get so much attention because she is 2344 01:44:00,210 --> 01:43:58,540 very very very careful yeah more so than 2345 01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:00,220 a lot of these guys who have more on the 2346 01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:02,400 line about the credibility factor 2347 01:44:09,480 --> 01:44:06,490 because she and it shows it pays off her 2348 01:44:13,100 --> 01:44:09,490 book is a New York Times best seller the 2349 01:44:15,420 --> 01:44:13,110 story she writes get tons of attention 2350 01:44:17,820 --> 01:44:15,430 including the New York Times story that 2351 01:44:20,190 --> 01:44:17,830 she was one of the authors of so she's 2352 01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:20,200 definitely another big fan of mine and I 2353 01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:22,410 do appreciate a lot of the other fringe 2354 01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:24,970 people who are considered fringe and 2355 01:44:30,300 --> 01:44:27,970 even in the UFO field someone mentioned 2356 01:44:32,340 --> 01:44:30,310 Linda Moulton Howe which certainly as I 2357 01:44:34,500 --> 01:44:32,350 would consider on the fringe end and I 2358 01:44:36,690 --> 01:44:34,510 don't mean that in a bad way at all 2359 01:44:39,630 --> 01:44:36,700 but for instance I was just you know 2360 01:44:42,330 --> 01:44:39,640 there's information about this material 2361 01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:42,340 that to the stars is analyzing and the 2362 01:44:48,510 --> 01:44:45,610 best history on that material I think is 2363 01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:48,520 at Linda house site so she's done you 2364 01:44:55,470 --> 01:44:50,770 know a tremendous amount of work out 2365 01:44:57,120 --> 01:44:55,480 there so even if I don't I don't know 2366 01:44:58,920 --> 01:44:57,130 totally agree with anybody not George 2367 01:45:00,960 --> 01:44:58,930 Knapp not anybody and they don't agree 2368 01:45:04,050 --> 01:45:00,970 totally with me nobody two people 2369 01:45:06,360 --> 01:45:04,060 totally agree on everything but we need 2370 01:45:10,170 --> 01:45:06,370 to respect each other and respect all of 2371 01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:10,180 our contributions and and I try to and I 2372 01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:12,250 really truly do respect the 2373 01:45:17,670 --> 01:45:14,770 contributions of a lot of people out 2374 01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:17,680 there in this field who are genuinely 2375 01:45:23,670 --> 01:45:19,930 looking for information to share with 2376 01:45:27,140 --> 01:45:23,680 the public so where do you think you 2377 01:45:30,330 --> 01:45:27,150 follow gee is is heading at this point 2378 01:45:32,970 --> 01:45:30,340 ufology I think is in a really kind of 2379 01:45:35,970 --> 01:45:32,980 strange crossroads right now personally 2380 01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:35,980 I feel I feel there's this tug there's 2381 01:45:43,110 --> 01:45:39,850 this tug too we have an unusual and 2382 01:45:47,730 --> 01:45:43,120 unprecedented opportunity right now to 2383 01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:47,740 really engage and interact with and 2384 01:45:54,930 --> 01:45:52,690 effectively kind of infiltrate the the 2385 01:45:58,620 --> 01:45:54,940 mainstream in science 2386 01:46:02,100 --> 01:45:58,630 in media at very many levels in 2387 01:46:05,820 --> 01:46:02,110 government and this is all happening at 2388 01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:05,830 the same time there are there 2389 01:46:11,910 --> 01:46:09,210 speculation and and strongly held 2390 01:46:14,610 --> 01:46:11,920 worldviews that are kind of taking 2391 01:46:17,010 --> 01:46:14,620 people in another direction and that 2392 01:46:18,780 --> 01:46:17,020 even includes religion George Knapp and 2393 01:46:21,090 --> 01:46:18,790 Louise Elizondo have written about how 2394 01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:21,100 religious factions inside of the 2395 01:46:25,020 --> 01:46:22,810 government were really responsible 2396 01:46:28,410 --> 01:46:25,030 because they thought UFOs and paranormal 2397 01:46:30,030 --> 01:46:28,420 we demonic for getting a lot of that 2398 01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:30,040 funding taken away in fact Louise 2399 01:46:34,590 --> 01:46:32,530 Elizondo said his predecessor his career 2400 01:46:35,939 --> 01:46:34,600 was ruined by these people even though 2401 01:46:38,370 --> 01:46:35,949 some of these people were his really 2402 01:46:41,610 --> 01:46:38,380 close friends so I think that's kind of 2403 01:46:45,450 --> 01:46:41,620 the crossroads were at and I'm certainly 2404 01:46:47,970 --> 01:46:45,460 hitching my wagon on on this mainstream 2405 01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:47,980 side because you know mainstream science 2406 01:46:52,020 --> 01:46:49,690 and journalism is where I'm at and I'd 2407 01:46:54,420 --> 01:46:52,030 love it and I think it's it's it's 2408 01:47:00,060 --> 01:46:54,430 really fun for me to be able to 2409 01:47:02,340 --> 01:47:00,070 interview a an astronaut like Scott 2410 01:47:04,740 --> 01:47:02,350 Kelly and you know probably the most 2411 01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:04,750 famous astronaut at this moment and and 2412 01:47:08,220 --> 01:47:06,730 to be able to bring up UFOs with them 2413 01:47:09,900 --> 01:47:08,230 and I could say well the Pentagon have 2414 01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:09,910 this UFO program what do you think of 2415 01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:11,890 that you know it's it's a unique 2416 01:47:17,580 --> 01:47:14,290 opportunity where I can you know bring 2417 01:47:20,630 --> 01:47:17,590 these interests and not feel as you know 2418 01:47:23,850 --> 01:47:20,640 scared or worried about doing that and 2419 01:47:25,620 --> 01:47:23,860 it this conversation is reaching other 2420 01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:25,630 levels I think some people kind of like 2421 01:47:30,930 --> 01:47:28,210 you know being in Mission having our own 2422 01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:30,940 thing but I'm I'm really loving and I 2423 01:47:36,930 --> 01:47:32,770 know George Knapp has really expressed 2424 01:47:39,959 --> 01:47:36,940 this that he is basking in this newfound 2425 01:47:43,500 --> 01:47:39,969 interest among the general public into 2426 01:47:46,380 --> 01:47:43,510 this topic and a credible I being put to 2427 01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:46,390 all of this and I agree with that it's a 2428 01:47:52,110 --> 01:47:49,330 it's an incredible time not just for 2429 01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:52,120 UFOs but for space in general we may be 2430 01:47:58,170 --> 01:47:54,570 going to Mars within the next ten years 2431 01:48:01,500 --> 01:47:58,180 we may have space tourism happening as 2432 01:48:03,930 --> 01:48:01,510 soon as next year and these are all some 2433 01:48:07,020 --> 01:48:03,940 of this stuff I write about and I think 2434 01:48:08,729 --> 01:48:07,030 this is a really exciting time and and 2435 01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:08,739 yeah and so it's 2436 01:48:14,069 --> 01:48:11,050 really fun to share all of this so now 2437 01:48:17,339 --> 01:48:14,079 you're on your blogger on den of geeks 2438 01:48:21,569 --> 01:48:17,349 which is one of the one of the top I 2439 01:48:23,609 --> 01:48:21,579 forget how many writer longer that yeah 2440 01:48:29,129 --> 01:48:23,619 writer I'm sorry you're a journalist 2441 01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:29,139 yeah so how how has that how are they 2442 01:48:36,029 --> 01:48:32,050 receiving your articles you know some of 2443 01:48:37,290 --> 01:48:36,039 them are space and stop doing that some 2444 01:48:39,209 --> 01:48:37,300 of their were space related and stuff 2445 01:48:41,790 --> 01:48:39,219 like that but how are they handling the 2446 01:48:46,020 --> 01:48:41,800 UFO articles over there do they get some 2447 01:48:49,739 --> 01:48:46,030 good reads they do my first UFO article 2448 01:48:52,589 --> 01:48:49,749 got huge reads I think might Scott 2449 01:48:56,250 --> 01:48:52,599 telling one asking about UFOs and aliens 2450 01:48:58,620 --> 01:48:56,260 was was a really big one for them 2451 01:48:59,549 --> 01:48:58,630 which is great because I know that even 2452 01:49:01,970 --> 01:48:59,559 though they write about sci-fi 2453 01:49:04,979 --> 01:49:01,980 entertainment that's their main deal 2454 01:49:06,959 --> 01:49:04,989 that they were a little hesitant to kind 2455 01:49:11,220 --> 01:49:06,969 of dip their toes in the in the UFO 2456 01:49:13,649 --> 01:49:11,230 water but and I think that some of it 2457 01:49:18,540 --> 01:49:13,659 was influenced at least by those of the 2458 01:49:20,850 --> 01:49:18,550 more worried about it was well the the 2459 01:49:22,770 --> 01:49:20,860 to the star stuff and also this new 2460 01:49:25,379 --> 01:49:22,780 History Channel show coming up Project 2461 01:49:26,669 --> 01:49:25,389 Blue Book so that's helped in fact I'm 2462 01:49:29,390 --> 01:49:26,679 going to be able to watch the first 2463 01:49:31,739 --> 01:49:29,400 couple episodes of this next week 2464 01:49:34,649 --> 01:49:31,749 there's a special History Channel 2465 01:49:38,819 --> 01:49:34,659 pre-screening in fact if you live in 2466 01:49:40,620 --> 01:49:38,829 Arizona email Phoenix MUFON or myself 2467 01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:40,630 try to get a hold of us and we can 2468 01:49:45,629 --> 01:49:43,690 probably get you into a screening all 2469 01:49:47,160 --> 01:49:45,639 right and because there's that they're 2470 01:49:49,470 --> 01:49:47,170 trying to they're telling us and bike 2471 01:49:53,939 --> 01:49:49,480 whoever we want well I just got a jello 2472 01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:53,949 from Sam moranto our friend and saying 2473 01:49:57,450 --> 01:49:55,360 are you gonna come out I go out to 2474 01:49:59,220 --> 01:49:57,460 Chicago a bit here and there and he said 2475 01:50:01,319 --> 01:49:59,230 have you happen to be here on the 14th 2476 01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:01,329 and so they're doing a screening out 2477 01:50:06,750 --> 01:50:03,730 there as well so that's really exciting 2478 01:50:08,989 --> 01:50:06,760 that's helped but there are also some 2479 01:50:11,939 --> 01:50:08,999 people at denim peak that are very very 2480 01:50:16,890 --> 01:50:11,949 enthusiastic about this topic so they're 2481 01:50:19,950 --> 01:50:16,900 loving it too so it's it's been it's 2482 01:50:21,899 --> 01:50:19,960 been really great they liked it but of 2483 01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:21,909 course what's funny and I get more 2484 01:50:24,850 --> 01:50:22,730 scrutiny 2485 01:50:26,740 --> 01:50:24,860 then a geek than I do did at Huffington 2486 01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:26,750 Post not to say that they're saying oh 2487 01:50:30,820 --> 01:50:28,370 you can't print this but they're saying 2488 01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:30,830 you know they want to make sure that 2489 01:50:34,990 --> 01:50:32,690 it's very credible essentially they 2490 01:50:37,510 --> 01:50:35,000 don't want their reputation Smerch they 2491 01:50:39,640 --> 01:50:37,520 don't want to look like a tabloid so I 2492 01:50:41,770 --> 01:50:39,650 have to even be more careful so I don't 2493 01:50:43,450 --> 01:50:41,780 write as many UFO stories because of 2494 01:50:45,310 --> 01:50:43,460 that at but that allows me the 2495 01:50:49,150 --> 01:50:45,320 opportunity to write a lot more space 2496 01:50:52,120 --> 01:50:49,160 stories and I love space stories right 2497 01:50:56,620 --> 01:50:52,130 right I've always have had a fascination 2498 01:50:58,479 --> 01:50:56,630 myself do you think do you think in in 2499 01:51:00,760 --> 01:50:58,489 recent years you know people talk about 2500 01:51:03,340 --> 01:51:00,770 there hasn't been any really big like 2501 01:51:06,100 --> 01:51:03,350 UFO story but when it comes to like the 2502 01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:06,110 Nimitz do the Nimitz UFO do you think 2503 01:51:10,630 --> 01:51:09,410 that is you know I think I think it's 2504 01:51:13,150 --> 01:51:10,640 incredible story but what are your 2505 01:51:14,860 --> 01:51:13,160 thoughts on that as far as it's more or 2506 01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:14,870 less a newer UFO story I know it was 2507 01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:19,040 2004 but it's 2004 but we only we had 2508 01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:20,930 little bits and pieces of information 2509 01:51:28,630 --> 01:51:25,850 that were dripped out for many years and 2510 01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:28,640 now we've gotten a whole mother lode of 2511 01:51:32,229 --> 01:51:30,650 interest well I shouldn't say the mother 2512 01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:32,239 lode it feels like the mother lode 2513 01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:33,530 because it's a lot more than we've had 2514 01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:35,360 before and a lot more than we've had for 2515 01:51:41,530 --> 01:51:39,290 a lot of UFO cases although we know and 2516 01:51:44,410 --> 01:51:41,540 Lewis even said this at Lassonde that 2517 01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:44,420 there's a lot more information that is 2518 01:51:50,440 --> 01:51:46,370 still locked up and give her files about 2519 01:51:52,660 --> 01:51:50,450 this case and other similar cases you 2520 01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:52,670 know he alludes to that there are a lot 2521 01:51:57,940 --> 01:51:56,000 of cases like the Nimitz but they're 2522 01:52:02,200 --> 01:51:57,950 just not releasing that information and 2523 01:52:03,850 --> 01:52:02,210 he's not at liberty to share so I love 2524 01:52:09,250 --> 01:52:03,860 the name I think the Nimitz case is 2525 01:52:13,330 --> 01:52:09,260 extraordinary we have radar we have and 2526 01:52:17,590 --> 01:52:13,340 then we have witnesses observations we 2527 01:52:20,550 --> 01:52:17,600 have a tiny bit of video and the video 2528 01:52:23,650 --> 01:52:20,560 yeah and tiny bit of video but the 2529 01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:23,660 witness testimony when it comes to like 2530 01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:25,489 a court of law there's a big difference 2531 01:52:30,250 --> 01:52:27,530 between a regular witness and an expert 2532 01:52:32,860 --> 01:52:30,260 witness and in this case we really have 2533 01:52:34,840 --> 01:52:32,870 expert witnesses even in science that's 2534 01:52:36,669 --> 01:52:34,850 important the person who asked earlier 2535 01:52:38,890 --> 01:52:36,679 you know would it be a big deal of 2536 01:52:41,470 --> 01:52:38,900 scientists was abducted it would be a 2537 01:52:43,899 --> 01:52:41,480 much huger deal it would be if Carl 2538 01:52:47,320 --> 01:52:43,909 Sagan was abducted he was so extremely 2539 01:52:50,500 --> 01:52:47,330 well respected that if he shared his 2540 01:52:52,930 --> 01:52:50,510 experience it certainly would convince a 2541 01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:52,940 lot of people a lot of the really 2542 01:52:59,649 --> 01:52:56,000 hardened skeptics no but that I think 2543 01:53:02,320 --> 01:52:59,659 would be the minority so when we have 2544 01:53:05,290 --> 01:53:02,330 david flavor the commander of this wing 2545 01:53:08,410 --> 01:53:05,300 coming on to CNN fox news all of them 2546 01:53:11,229 --> 01:53:08,420 and talking about his experiences yeah i 2547 01:53:13,419 --> 01:53:11,239 think that that is a very big deal 2548 01:53:15,669 --> 01:53:13,429 really phoenix likes is very well known 2549 01:53:18,010 --> 01:53:15,679 out here in Arizona and across the world 2550 01:53:21,100 --> 01:53:18,020 but and in Roswell of course is 2551 01:53:24,340 --> 01:53:21,110 well-known but we have better data and 2552 01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:24,350 information on the Nimitz case than any 2553 01:53:28,810 --> 01:53:26,810 of the most famous cases really except 2554 01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:28,820 for maybe Rendlesham because we have so 2555 01:53:33,970 --> 01:53:31,010 many military witnesses in that case as 2556 01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:33,980 well but and you know some radar data 2557 01:53:38,979 --> 01:53:37,280 and everything too so yeah I think Nimet 2558 01:53:41,410 --> 01:53:38,989 is is an extraordinary and very 2559 01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:41,420 important case we only have a couple 2560 01:53:47,500 --> 01:53:43,130 minutes left just over been and a half 2561 01:53:50,110 --> 01:53:47,510 or so but I wanted to I mean well what 2562 01:53:52,090 --> 01:53:50,120 you just said they probably have cases 2563 01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:52,100 more more cases like the Nimitz wouldn't 2564 01:53:55,870 --> 01:53:54,290 that be so interesting to have the 2565 01:53:57,910 --> 01:53:55,880 inside story wouldn't that be so 2566 01:54:01,030 --> 01:53:57,920 interesting to know what these people 2567 01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:01,040 know yeah and I think when I get the 2568 01:54:05,169 --> 01:54:03,170 sense you know when when especially with 2569 01:54:07,660 --> 01:54:05,179 your we're talking face to face with 2570 01:54:10,450 --> 01:54:07,670 Louise and he's kind of relaxed that he 2571 01:54:11,979 --> 01:54:10,460 wants to share so badly but he's just 2572 01:54:14,770 --> 01:54:11,989 got to take a breath once in a while and 2573 01:54:17,500 --> 01:54:14,780 he's like oh man he says brother brother 2574 01:54:19,930 --> 01:54:17,510 if you knew oh brother cuz he likes that 2575 01:54:24,459 --> 01:54:19,940 term you know brother military guys use 2576 01:54:27,850 --> 01:54:24,469 that a lot so yeah Band of Brothers so 2577 01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:27,860 yeah I would I would love to know even 2578 01:54:33,669 --> 01:54:29,840 Nick Pope has some stuff that he can't 2579 01:54:36,070 --> 01:54:33,679 share due to his oath of secrecy to the 2580 01:54:38,770 --> 01:54:36,080 UK government one question I asked is 2581 01:54:41,110 --> 01:54:38,780 have you ever breached the Royals on any 2582 01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:41,120 of this and he said I'm not at liberty 2583 01:54:46,479 --> 01:54:43,010 to talk about that this is that 2584 01:54:49,750 --> 01:54:46,489 something yeah yeah that's like saying 2585 01:54:50,479 --> 01:54:49,760 yes exactly I said well you kind of 2586 01:54:52,609 --> 01:54:50,489 answered my 2587 01:54:55,399 --> 01:54:52,619 and he said well take it as you do you 2588 01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:55,409 wish yeah yeah alejandra so we got just 2589 01:54:59,209 --> 01:54:57,840 like a minute here can you you quickly 2590 01:54:59,899 --> 01:54:59,219 talk about what you do on Thursday 2591 01:55:04,310 --> 01:54:59,909 nights 2592 01:55:07,009 --> 01:55:04,320 oh yeah Thursday I do UFOs seriously 2593 01:55:08,270 --> 01:55:07,019 live so I talk about essentially the 2594 01:55:09,890 --> 01:55:08,280 week I talk about what I've written 2595 01:55:11,779 --> 01:55:09,900 about including some of the space stuff 2596 01:55:14,359 --> 01:55:11,789 and everything and then I also go over 2597 01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:14,369 the news the UFO news of the week and so 2598 01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:17,730 we go story by story and you know some 2599 01:55:21,350 --> 01:55:19,170 people will know at open minds I used to 2600 01:55:23,359 --> 01:55:21,360 do daily UFO headlines don't have time 2601 01:55:25,069 --> 01:55:23,369 for that so I do the weekly but what's 2602 01:55:27,620 --> 01:55:25,079 fascinating and people don't realize is 2603 01:55:30,770 --> 01:55:27,630 there's a lot of UFO news every single 2604 01:55:33,379 --> 01:55:30,780 week I always have a lot in fact I have 2605 01:55:36,290 --> 01:55:33,389 a hard time keeping the show down to an 2606 01:55:38,810 --> 01:55:36,300 hour it's even caught up to you know two 2607 01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:38,820 hours at times but it's a lot of fun and 2608 01:55:43,489 --> 01:55:40,800 then I also answer questions in the chat 2609 01:55:44,870 --> 01:55:43,499 like you do here yeah yeah I've joined 2610 01:55:46,489 --> 01:55:44,880 in a couple times over there it's a lot 2611 01:55:49,549 --> 01:55:46,499 of fun Alejandro thanks so much we're 2612 01:55:51,979 --> 01:55:49,559 out of time in my pleasure always a lot 2613 01:55:53,359 --> 01:55:51,989 of fun talking to you thanks man you too 2614 01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:53,369 all right and we'll talk to you next 2615 01:55:57,979 --> 01:55:55,650 week of the regular news and half hour 2616 01:56:00,319 --> 01:55:57,989 right weekend yeah I'll be back to the 2617 01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:00,329 news dude all right have a great time 2618 01:56:05,450 --> 01:56:03,570 this weekend thanks man all right okay 2619 01:56:07,609 --> 01:56:05,460 everyone so that's it for the show 2620 01:56:10,939 --> 01:56:07,619 thanks so much for listening we'll be 2621 01:56:13,700 --> 01:56:10,949 back next week with ray Stanford should 2622 01:56:15,379 --> 01:56:13,710 be an interesting show and again thanks 2623 01:56:17,629 --> 01:56:15,389 so much for listening I really